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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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European?

[irach] Associated with music? Yes. *Burst of loud applause*
[Rosie] Male? Yes.
[Dujon] Fingers touching? Eh? Please clarify.
[INJ] European? Yes.

A composer?

Mozart?

[Irg] Composer? Yes.
[irach] Which one?

Wolfie, for the love of God?

Leopold Mozart?

Franz Xaver Wolfgang Mozart?

If all else fails....

Amadeus Theophilus Gottleib

aka Kim

[Rosie, Projoy, Phil] Not Amadeus, Leopold, Franz Xaver, nor (to save anyone else the bother of trawling endlessly through Wiki) Maria Anne, Carl Bleedin' Philip Emmanuel, PDQ or any other Mozart. Sorry...

What about Irouléguy's suggestion?

[Projoy] What about reading before posting?

[Projoy] Fair cop.

A baroque composer?

[Projoy] Baroque? Technically, no.

German?

Pre-Baroque?

Handel?

(Kim) CPE and PDQ weren't Mozarten; they were Bach(whatever the plural is).

[irach] German? No.
[Projoy] Pre-baroque? Technically, yes.
[Rosie] Handel? No (and, yes, I knew that).

European?

[Projoy] I refer the Hon. Gent. to the answer I gave ImNotJohn yesterday.

Born in the C17th

Oh dear, my basic literacy skills don't seem to be up to much lately.

[Projoy] Mine neiver, that's why Im staying well away frm this one.

William Byrd?

[Projoy] 17th Century? No. That would make him/her Baroque era, I think.
[IRG] Byrd? No.

John Dowland?

Italian?

[Projoy] Dowland? No.
[Phil] Italian? No.

Tomas Luis Vittoria?

[Rosie] TLV? No.

British?

Wrote choral stuff?

[irach] British? Yes.
[Rosie] Choral "stuff"? Yes.
*The audience applauds both questions and anticipates a swift conclusion*

Thomas Tallis?

[Phil] Yes! Phil beats Rosie to the tape.
*Hands over baton to Phil and walks off whistling Glen Miller's "In The Dorian Mood"*

I would like to offer the baton to Irouléguy, or flerdle, who beat me to the lighthouse one, but were unable to spare the time at the time.

Out of town, out of my mind

I'll be away for a fortnight so not me, sorry.

As IRG has not shown up, I'll do what could be another quick one...

ANIMAL or VEGETABLE or MINERAL

The word "Thing"?

[irach] "thing"? NO

Fossil?

[irach] Fossil? NO

A horn?

[Dujon] A horn? NO

Clothing?

Was Dujon asking the right kind of question? That is, is do the word(s) on the card have three separate interpretations/meanings, one animal, one vegatable, and one mineral?

[Projoy] Clothing? NO
[CdM] Words on the card have three separate meanings, one of each type? NO - it's more that it's categorisation is undefined, but not abstract.

Is this a part of a living body (e.g. brain, liver and so on)?

[CdM] Thanks for your question.

[Dujon] Part of a living body? YES, but not in the way you meant from your examples.

Atoms?

[irach] Atoms? NO - *Much applause*

Molecules?

Sub-atomic particles?

Higgs' bosons?

Phil] Thanks for the offer.

[irach] Molecules? NO
[software] Sub-atomic particles? YES *Enthusiastic applause*
[IRG] Higgs' bosons? NO Expectant oohs and aahs

Gluons?

[INJ] Gluons? NO *audience eagerly awaits the right sub-atomic particle*

A quark?

How about a less esoteric "proton"?

Or just the familial 'hadron'?

[IRG] Three quarks for muster mark? 'Fraid not
[irach] Proton? Postively incorrect
[INJ] The humble hadron? YES, by Jiminy!
*hands over a baton made of, amongst other things, hadrons*

Slightly worried about what will happen when the hadrons in my hand collide with those in the baton.
Ah, we appear to be all right.
So let's try ABSTRACT with MINERAL connections

Rock of Ages?

[irach] - aged rock? - NO
*A few members of the audience exchange significant glances*

A statue that no longer exists?

[Phil] - Colossus of Rhodes, etc. - NO

A proverb, aphorism or saying?

[irach] - well-known phrase or saying? - NO

Between a rock and a hard place?

[Raak] - well-known phrase or saying about rocks and hard places? - NO

Title of a literary or theatrical work?

A site or construction of 'cultural significance'?

A flying start

[irach] - Title of a literary or theatrical work? - YES *Applause*
[Dujon] - building site? - NO

Written in the 20th century?

[CdM] - C20 - NO

Title of a book?

[Phil]- Book title? - NO

Play?

This may not take long

[Kim] - Play? - NO

Opera?

Poem?

Film title?

The jukebox musical "We Will Rock You" ?

Are mines involved?

Sorry - called away

[irach] - opera - NO
[Kim] - Poem - YES *Applause*
[Phil] - never heard of it, so - NO
[Raak] - the pits - NO

[irach] - not a film either

"Composed upon Westminster Bridge" by Wordsworth?

Does the mineral connection occur in the title?

Does something to do with rock or stone appear in the title?

Would this have a relationship to a peacock?

Just a matter of time

[irach] - The commuters' poem - NO
[Rosie] - Mineral connection in title - YES
[Phil] - Rock or Stone in title - NO *a few audience murmurs*
[Dujon] - Peacockery - Not to my knowledge

Is there a religious connection?

Does the mineral connection refer to something real (for example "Under Ben Bulben", rather than "The green eye of the little yellow god")?

Is the mineral component water as in "Sea Fever"

Written in C19th?

Does it have anything to do with Hay Fever?

[Kim] - religious connection? - Best answer is NO
CdM - is the mineral real? - Very tricky. I could argue for NO, given the examples you cite, but actually the real answer is 'I don't know (and AFAIK neither does anyone else), but I would guess it was YES'
[irach] - watery - NO
[Projoy] C19 - YES
[Kim] - hay fevery? - NO where did that come from?

Keats?

Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem , "The Holy Grail"

Ode on a Grecian Urn?

(shamelessly climbing on Projoy's shoulders)

*I can't stop myself* - [CdM] What's a Grecian Urn?

Truth is beauty

[CdM] Im sure it is not all ye know on earth, but it is all ye need to know to win this round.
Ode on a Grecian Urn it is.
([Phil] Neither can I) - About 10 drachmas a day
One baton passed on, despite the best efforts of Merlina Mercouri.

VEGETABLE with ANIMAL CONNECTIONS

Bird Seed?

Bird seed? No.

Welsh rabbit?

Is the animal connection part of the name or descriptor of the vegetable?

[INJ] I thought it might be Gray's Allergy.

Welsh rabbit? No.
Animal connection part of name or descriptor of vegetable? Yes. *applause*

horse chestnut?

[Kim] That's dreadful!

She stoops to conker? No.

Is the animal a mammal?

Mammal? Yes.

Swede?

Is the vegetable a fruit?

Swede? No.
Fruit? No.

Edible?

Is it processed?

Is the vegetable a grass?

Edible? Yes.
Processed? No.
A grass? No.

Is the vegetable a vegetable?

Is tha answer just the name of the vegetable?

is the animal human?

King Edwards?

Answer just the name of the vegetable? Yes.
Is the animal human? Yes.
King Edwards? King Edward's what? Oh, sorry, No.

Broccoli?

Is the vegetable a vegetable? No. (Sorry, I missed that earlier.)
Broccoli? No.

Is the vegetable a berry?

Is the vegetable a flower?

Is the vegetable a seed or grain?

Any other options?

Berry? No.
Flower? Yes. *applause*
Seed or grain? No. But there is a connection. *brief puzzled pause, followed by audience laughter*

A specific named varietal?

Not sure of my technical terms here - I mean are we looking for something like 'Rosa Alan Titchmarsh' rather than 'a tea rose'?

Dog Rose?

Queen Anne's Lace?

A specific named varietal? Yes. *applause* (But it isn't Rosa Titchmarsh, whoever she may be.)
Dog rose? No.
Purple clover, Queen Anne's Lace? No.

Female personna?

Is the animal a specific, named individual?

Female? Yes.
Specific named individual? Yes.

Is it a rose?

Rose? No.

Is it a cultivar (as opposed to a wildflower)?

Cultivar? Yes.

Flowering herb?

A rose?

A bulb flower?

Flowerin' 'erb? No.
Rose? Still no.
Bulb flower? No.

It is a flower whose type is often to be found in an English garden?

Nelly Moser?

In an English country garden? No.
Nelly Moser? No.

A female name?

Female name? Still yes.

Oops.. I. meant a female royal name?

Royal name? *brief pause for thought* Er, no. *audience laughter*

It is a flower whose type is often to be found on an English window-sill?

That is, would it be potted rather than growing in a flower-bed.

In an English country windowsill? No.

Is the female person's name integral to the name of the flower (eg, "Violet") as opposed to a variety of flower named after a specific individual?

Integral Name? No. INJ's Rosa Alan Titchmarsh is the exact form you are looking for: <flower><first name><last name>.

A tropical variety ?

Camellia Hari Withers?

Tropical? Largely topical, yes. *applause*
Parker-Bowles-Googie-Withers? No.

An aquatic plant?

Aquatic? No.

Er, in answer to irach's previous question, it is largely tropical. It is not particularly topical.

Native to the S.E. of the U.S.of A.?

Native to SEUSA? No. Which, um, you might have deduced from the fact that the SEUSA is not tropical...

Native to SE Asia?

Does it grow higher than a telephone box?

Native to SE Asia? Yes. (I could give a rather more detailed and pedantic answer, but I think Yes is the most helpful.)
Higher than a phone box? No.

A fragrant flower?

Fragrant? Hmmm... In general these flowers are often fragrant but I don't know for sure about this particular varietal.

In the orchid family?

An oleander variety?

In the orchid family? Yes. *applause*
oleander? No.

Masdevallia Celine Dion?

MCd? No.

Is the female person alive?

As this could take a long time...

Vanda Miss Joaquim?

Orchid Cyd (Charrisse) ?

Living? Yes.
Vanda Miss Joaquim? No, but *significant applause*
Orcyd? No.

Vanda Annette Jones?

Vanda Annette Jones? No. *significant silence*

Is it a 'National Flower'?

National flower? No. At least, that's not a description I would use... *laughter*

(I like this audience. It laughs at my jokes.)

(Perhaps the 'significant applause' to Miss Joaquim was too strong. Think of it more as applause that recognized a connection to the answer.)

N.B. We knew she was a national treasure, but it turns out that Linnea Borealis is also Sweden's national flower

Is it in the sub-family Apostasioideae?

~~Apostosio~~ ... ~~Apostasioioi~~ ... ~~Apastasio~~ ... what he said? No.

Dendrobium Imelda Marcos?

Must be a slipper orchid.

Dendrobium Imelda Marcos? No. *the audience greets INJ's joke with stony silence*

However, then *the audience applauds excitedly*. "Dendrobium" is indeed the first word on the card. And "Imelda Marcos"? No, but ... so very, very close. *guffaws of laughter from the audience*.

I hate to have to say this, but [INJ], your sources have deceived you - the twinflower is the province flower of one of Sweden's provinces, it's not a national flower. (Sweden doesn't have one.) It's quite pretty though :-)

Aranthera Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo?

Please ignore my earlier question. I cross-posted.

Dendrobium victoriae-reginae?

Is the named person connected with politics?

[Phil] Good grief, is she still alive?
[Néa] Sadly, you're right (of course), but it does appear as a factoid in quite a few places.

D'oh!

Does the first letter of the second word come in the second half of the alphabet?

AGMA? No.
DVR? No.
Connected with politics? Yes. *applause*,
First letter of second word in third half of the alphabet? No (nor in the second half).

Was it initially hybridised in Singapore?

Hybridised in Singapore? Yes. *applause*

Well, I've got 2 that match all the criteria (though there are probably more, since it seems to be the norm that important visitors are given a tour of the Orchid Gardens and then have the latest cultivar named after them). However, etiquette demands that someone else gets a go first....

[INJ] I don't know -- I think you asked the vast majority of the key questions in this round (identifying it as a specific named varietal, native to SE Asia, and as an orchid, for example), so I doubt if anyone would begrudge you victory. I'm surprised you found more than one, given all the audience reactions, although I haven't checked the list myself.

[CdM] I agree. I think that INJ should deliver the cut of grass and take the baton. I was persuaded by the audience reaction and your response to INJ's "Imelda Marcos" suggestion that the connection was the Phillipines.

Philippines? No. Don't listen to the audience; they are purposely being obscurantist.

Let's try Den. Kaneko Ikeda?

Thank goodness that it wasn't in the 2nd half of the alphabet, or I'd have been forced to try den. Margaret Thatcher!
If this is wrong then it's definitely someone else's turn

And then again.....

Ah, I've just realised that you could take the 'second word' question 2 ways - I was thinking about the second word of the name, not the second word on the card. If I have misapprehended, then please amend my answer as appropriate - especially as St Margaret is a 'better' answer.

Den. Margaret Thatcher it is! A delicate flower if ever there was one (and, yes, I puzzled over the meaning of "second word" too). *hands hybridized baton to INJ*

*ponders the matter of how confusing the term "second word" can be, given that one had just been informed of the correctness of the first word* The list of 1900 dendrobia did not include that one :-(

[Phil] Nothing wrong with your question, and I answered it correctly -- but I did have the same initial reaction as INJ. I think that, mentally, the first word was out of the way, and we were now concentrating on a two-word name, so it was easy to think of the second word in that delimited context.

(Or, possibly, it's some kind of genetic defect.)

I put it down to dipping in and out very quickly.
The next one is MINERAL with ANIMAL connections

The Old Man of Hoy?

[CdM] - A Hoy there? - NO

I'm pretty much in wall-to-wall meetings today, so may not get back to this until later. So here's a few answers in advance:
- NO
- Partly
Damn, I didn't think you'd ask that - YES

[INJ] Are you a carpet fitter by trade?

Is the animal human?

[INJ] Is dipping in and out a genetic defect too? *grins*

Mineral metallic?

Is it pig iron?

OK here we go

[Kim] - Carpet Fitter? - NO ;-)
[Phil] - Human? - NO (anticipated as first question)
[Software] - Metal? - NO (wrong question)
[Kim] - Rock Island Line cargo? - NO (you were obviously put off by Software getting it wrong)

Is the animal a bird?

[Néa] - a bird? - NO

Is the animal a mammal?

Rock lobster?

[Irach] - a mammal? - YES
[Phil] - Rocky Lobster Show - NO

A farm animal?

Is the subject a representation of said mammal?

[irach] - cowsheepchickenllama? - NO
[Dujon] - a representation? - NO (but *some applause*)

Tiger-eye (the gemstone)?

A natural feature?

Does it begin with P?

[irach] - Eye of the tiger? - NO
[Rosie] - Natural? - NO
[CdM] - P-led? - Damn, I didn't think you'd ask that - YES

Is it the animal component that begins with the letter "P"?

[irach] - Panimals? - NO

Unique?

[INJ] Is that because you thought I'd ask that, not CdM?

The "Pink Panther" gem of Clouseau infamy?

[Tuj] -Unique - YES (No, just because it hadn't been asked so much recently)
[irach] - La Panthère Rose? - NO

Smaller than a toaster?

[INJ] Ah. Well, I've not spent much time MCing lately =)

[Tuj] < Toaster - NO

Would this be a fossil?

A work of art?

[Dujon] - Fossil? - NO
[CdM] - Work of art? - NO is probably the most useful answer, though there will be dissenting voices

A work of architecture?

[CdM] - The Built Environment? - YES (I couldn't have made that much more obvious, could I?)
Oh, and *audience applause*

Is the animal feline?

Spooky

[Iroul] - with cat-like tread? - YES *considerable applause*

Is it a building with a feline link in the name?

Just to confirm

[Phil] - Is it a building with a feline link in the name? - it is a work of architecture with a feline link in its name

Is the work of architecture in the USA?

[Kim] - In USA? - NO

Is it zoomorphic?

Is the "cat" actually a puddy tat as opposed to, say, a lion?

A lion in Trafalgar Square

A few weeks ago, only one team out of eight in my pub quiz got the correct answer to "How many stone lions are there in Trafalgar Square?"

Hidden text

None, they are made of bronze

[GIII] - zoomorphic - NO
[Rosie] - Minimog? - NO *applause*
[Phil] - I knew the answer to that question, therefore I refer you to my answer to Software (OK then, - NO - to save you looking)

Sports connected?

Arts connected?

Is the work of architecture in England?

[Iroul] - Sporty? - NO
[Kim] - Arty? - NO
[Rosie] - Anglo-Saxony? - NO

The Pantheon

[Software] - Pantheon? - NO

Is it in Asia?

[Phil] - In Asia? - NO *audience remains interested*
BTW - as a clarification - the words on the card do begin with a 'P'. However, I would accept an answer that doesn't. Is that confusing enough?

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