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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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Theatrical Connection? None that I am aware of.

Is it a saying?

(Not the seven ages of man, then)

The present king of France?

Is there one at the moment?

A saying? NO.
Louis XXIV? NO.
One at the moment? YES. (By which I mean that the answer on the card currently exists. As a minor clue/clarification, my previous answer re "time-related" was because the answer on the card did not always exist and probably will not always exist in the future. I was probably overthinking my answers...)

Is it sport-related?

The Monarchy?

Sport-related? NO.
Monarchy? NO. (some laughter)

Democracy?

Democracy? NO.

The Goons?

I'm trying to think of constructive questions, rather than guesses, but the laughter has me intrigued.

Punk (the supposed form of music)?

Is it the name of a job?

Anything to do with anarcho-syndicalism?

The Goons. NO. more laughter
Punk? NO.
Name of a job? NO. smattering of applause
To do with anarcho-syndicalism? YES! loud applause

The Durutti Column?

The International Workers Association?

Durutti Column? NO. (some applause)
IWA? NO. (some applause)

Does it have a specifically British connection?

British connection? NO. (a pin drops noisily)

Is it a political organisation?

Political organisation? YES. (applause)

The Spanish FAI (Federacion Anarquista Iberica)?

FAI? NO. (loud applause) (this is a very helpful audience)

Confederación Nacional del Trabajo?

CNT? YES! *refuses to pass the baton as it is a symbol of bourgeois oppression*

Courtesy of the wiki random article feature, here is a VEGETABLE.

edible?

manufactured/processed?

Is it *A* vegetable?

[INJ] NO.
[CdM] NO.
[Rosie] YES.

Is it a tree?

Tropical?

[Raak] NO.
[CdM] YES.

a flower?

(in the normal sense of the term - not just an angiosperm)

[INJ] YES.

Lotus?

[CdM] NO.

Hibiscus?

Rafflesia?

Available in European florists? (on a reasonably regular basis)

[irach] NO (but at this and the previous question, the audience is starting to pay attention)
[Raak] NO (but ditto)
[INJ] YES -- at least, I am fairly sure about the "reasonably regular" part.

Orchid?

Incidentally, Néa, I'm still bemused as to where your "anarcho-syndicalism" question came from?

[Phil] NO. (Audience loses a degree of interest.)
Anarcho-syndicalism -- it was the laughter at "monarchy" that put the idea into my head :-)

Native to Africa?

(If you like, you can assume I'll ask the other questions until I get a YES)

Good idea

[INJ] Africa? NO.
South America? NO.
Central America? NO.
Australia? NO.
Asia? YES.
(Needless to say, it was the last one you asked about. 'Tis ever so.)

Hyacinth?

Native only to Asia restricts things a bit.
[Néa] I'd never even heard of it myself, hence my utter bemusement.

Asian Almond (sterculia foetida)?

...which, by any other name, would smell as foul.

I meant Indian almond.

[Phil] NO (audience interest remains on same level as before). Re: an-synd -- that has been something of a running gag in this game, which made it a more obvious thing to guess. (Mr Néa is active in the Swedish anarcho syndicalists. I don't sympathise with them myself, though.)
[Projoy] NO (audience pricks up ears slightly)

There seems to be some confusion as to the Latin name of the Indian almond

Neither Sterculia Foetida (which I have down as Java olive) nor Terminalia Catappa is correct.

Is usually a particular colour?

[Inkspot] YES.

Jasmine?

Sakura Cherry blossoms?

Indian Lilac?

A member of the rhododendron genus?

[flerdle, irach, Dandalf, Irouléguy] NO. (The audience, having become a little restless, regains some order at flerdle's guess -- but quickly loses it again.)

noted for fragrance?

[INJ] NO.

Himalayan Poppy?

Peony?

Remember: Tropical

[INJ] NO.
[Inkspot] NO.
(There is a distinct lack of order among the audience.)

A bromeliad?

An orchid?

Saffron?

(sources disagree about its nativity)

Tea?

(curses - sources agree that it's not a flower, and that it's not tropical!)

Leptospermum?

[Inkspot] NO.
[Raak] Still NO.
[Projoy] NO.
[Irouléguy] Yes please! Black, no sugar. Oh, sorry. NO.
[Projoy] NO.

OK... I think Néa is giving us a hint with "order" in reference to flerdle's guess of Jasmine. The internets tell me that Jasmine is in the order Lamiales, and also tell me that there are about 11,000 species in this order. So -- now to take a leaf out of INJ's book...

Chinese violet?

(If you like, you can assume I'll ask the other 10,999 questions until I get a YES)

[CdM] NO. (The audience cheers when hearing the reasoning behind the guess.)
I'm sorry, I don't think I'll assume that :-)

Is the colour usually yellow?

[Inkspot] NO.

Clarification please...

You answered earlier that it is not edible. Is it actually poisonous, or just not usually eaten?

Is the colour usually red/pink?

An Iris?

Is its colour part of its name?

Is a country or area part of its name?

[CdM] The information I've found on the subject says "not poisonous".
[INJ] YES.
[Inkspot] NO.
[Raak] NO.
[Irouléguy] NO.

Is it grown here as a house rather than garden plant?

[Inkspot] YES.

Is it grown here as a house rather than garden plant?

Grown for foliage rather than flower?

Er...

I was assuming an omitted "plant" in Inkspot's question, whereas I'm assuming that CdM is just being silly (often a safe assumption to make!)
[INJ] NO -- at least, I wouldn't think so.

No, I was simply pointing out that "here" has many meanings in the morniverse. You haven't answered my question.

[CdM] I'm sorry, that was too subtle for me. In that case, NO.

Acanthus?

(Was gonna say Buddlea (sp?) but realised I have one out in the back garden, then realised that Acanthus is also grown outdoors in Europe and isn't native to Asia. I think I'd better retire from this round :) )

Is it carnivorous?

(BTW, while floundering about on google for possible answers, I came across this rather fetching description of an Asian houseplant: "Coral Berry - Ardisia Crenata, from southeast Asia. Very slow growing plant. Has shiny green leaves and very small pink or shite flowers followed by brilliant red berries.")

[Projoy] NO. (An elderly gentleman in the back row starts clapping, but his neighbour shushes him). Some Acanthus species are native to Asia, though -- Acanthus ilicifolius for instance.

Incidentally, I may need to make a clarification. When I say "garden plant" I mean something that actually grows in the garden and is outdoors all year round, rather than plants like olive trees for instance, which can be taken outside (in this here climate) in summer but must come in when the snow arrives.

[CdM] NO.

What You Know

You're looking for a plant of the order Lamiales, with (usually) red or pink flowers, which is native to a tropical part of Asia and doesn't grow very well in British (or Swedish) gardens. It will not eat your pets or children. It's not usually eaten but probably not poisonous, its colour or homeland cannot be divulged from its name -- oh, and it has a Wikipedia entry (since that's how I found it in the first place).

I think we also know that the colour is red/pink. Could it be the red-flowered Campsis grandiflora, the Trumpet Vine, of which I have an uncontrollable specimen in my garden (not UK!)? I believe it's of Asian origin.

Yes, I think you know that, too.

[Dandalf] NO.

The Bignoniaceae family?

[Irouléguy] NO.

coleus (solenostemon)?

Although it's better known for its leaves than its flowers, and is also from Africa. Worth mentioning and eliminating, though...

Strobilanthes?

I think we also know that it is probably readily available in European florists.

lipstick plant?

From the Lamiaceae family?

[flerdle] NO.
[Phil] NO.
[INJ] Those are not the words on the card. (audience goes wild!)
[Inkspot] NO.

Aeschynanthus radicans?

(assuming we're talking about the actual plant rather than the genus Aeschynanthus)

Aeschynanthus radicans?

INJ just beat me to this: (Really just to finish things off -- if this is correct, INJ gets the baton.)

That's the epiphyte!

[INJ, CdM] YES!! Well guessed, both of you -- but INJ was first. One lipstick-shaped baton for you, sir.

er, and if you want to know why I posted anyway after the simulpost, rather than just deleting my post, well, that's a really good question.

You can tell work's a bit slack - can't you?

[Néa] - Nice clue on Acanthus. You must know better florists than me - though I do admit to knowing the plant very vaguely.

Anyway, off we go again with ABSTRACT with ANIMAL connections

A mythical animal?

[Raak] mythical - NO

Animal = human?

[INJ] Thank you - I was hoping somebody would get the clue! I didn't know the plant very well myself, but now I've read up on it rather a lot. Very educational game, this.

[Néa] human - YES

An activity of some kind?

A political movement?

[Néa] An activity - NO
[Raak] political movement? - NO

Is it found in all cultures?

A symbol?

[Néa] I skipped that plant due to mis-reading the colour :( Ah, well - well done INJ

To do with language?

[Phil] Happens to the best of us. (Obviously.)

[Iroul] found in all cultures? - NO (but be careful about your assumptions)
[Raak] symbol - NO
[Néa] To do with language? - NO (or only in a vague sense)

found in at least one non-European culture?

[Projoy] found in at least one non-European culture? - YES

A public position, in the broadest sense?

[Rosie] public position - NO (no matter how broadly drawn)

Related to an Asian culture?

If you like, you can assume I will ask all the related questions. :)

[Projoy] Related to an Asian culture? - NO not as such, but not unknown in much (most?) of Asia
African - see Asian
South American - see Asian
North American - YES
European - see N American (though some people might disagree)
The audience heckles this display of generosity

Related to entertainment?

[CdM] Related to entertainment? - YES (some applause)

Some form of music?

Now we're getting somewhere

[Iroul] Some form of music? - YES (further applause)

Jazz?

religious music?

Country?

[Phil/Projoy/Rosie] - NO
(to clarify my response to Irouléguy - I didn't take it to mean ' do the words on the card define a form of music?' - just 'is the area of entertainment some form of music?'

The name of a piece?

An organised group of people?

[PJ] name of a piece? - YES
[Raak] group of people? - NO

Was it around before 1900?

Does it have a known composer (or composers)?

Was it around before 1950

Actually, I'll take a guess... Fanfare for the Common Man?

[Inks & Projoy] Pre 1950 - NO
[CdM] known composer - YES
[Projoy] Fanfare for the Common Man? - NO

Is the compser also associated as the performer of the piece?

Inks composer = performer - NO not normally associated as such
Minor correction I think the '(though some people might disagree)' is misleading, so Related to a European Culture = YES

Pop music? (broadly understood as "the sort of stuff that young people like")

Is the animal connection something more than "written by a human"?

[Raak] Pop Music - YES and NO
[CdM] animal connection something more than "written by a human"? - YES (but not a lot)

Sorry, that was me, of course. And as an apology: the Yes & No is partly caused by the definition given.

Is a human referred to in the title?

Would most people here know the composer if they heard the piece?

Does the piece have lyrics?

(sorry for double question, but I thought of this question, which I like a lot better, only after I hit the "stand" button)

Homing in on it steadily

[Rosie] human referred to in the title? - NO
[CdM] Would most people here know the composer? - NO (though I think some would)
[CdM] lyrics - YES (some applause)

Written in the 1960s?

[CdM] 60s - YES

A stand-alone piece of music, or part of a larger work?

INJ] Thanks, that's what I meant (many moons ago)

folk music?

Rock Opera?

Is an orchestra involved in the perfornance of it?

[Iroul] A stand-alone piece of music, or part of a larger work? - YES (oh, all right - stand-alone)
[Projoy] folk - NO
[Dandalf] Rock Opera - NO
[Phil] orchestra involved - Frequently

Was it a hit in the UK?

[Iroul] UK hit - YES

Are the words on the card the title of a song?

(just checking assumptions here)

pop?

[Projoy] Pop? - As I said when this question was last asked, the problem is the definition of terms here. Popular = YES

Was it a hit for a popular beat combo?

Half Man Half Biscuit

[Inks] a hit for a popular beat combo? - NO (or for greater precision - 'YES, but not primarily')

Are you going to answer my question?

A theme tune?

[CdM] Are you going to answer my question? - YES
[Inks] Theme Tune - NO

[CdM] Are the words on the card the title of a song? - YES

A solo artist, then?

American composer and British singer?

I now have Dusty Springfield on a loop singing "I just don't know wat to do with myself" but then it is Friday.

[Projoy] Solo Artist? - YES (most famously)
[Inks] American composer? - NO
[Inks] British singer? - NO
Where appropriate the expression '(most famously)' should be considered as inserted.

British composer?

American singer?

[Projoy] British composer? - NO
[Dandalf] American Singer - YES (audience doesn't actually clap, but is definitely perking up)

European composer?

[Projoy] European composer? - YES

Do one or more colours feature in either the title or the words?

[Flerdle] colours? - NO (title nor words)

A French song rejigged by a Canadian?

(Most famously) a female singer?

Does a non-human animal feature in either words or title?

Strike that (animal=human). A (m. f.)male singer?

Is the composer Jaques Brel?

A Bob Dylan song?

[Inks] French Song - YES (many of the audience look bemused)
rejigged by Canadian - NO
[Iroul/Dandalf] - A male singer (m.f.)
[Inks] Jacques Brel - NO
[Raak] Zimmerman - NO
There's an unchallenged assumption in some of these questions - not yet crucial, but....

OOOOOPS

[Inks] SORRY the rejigged by Canadian was YES (and had I said so at the time there would have been a lot of applause

anything to do with a movie?

[Projoy] to do with a movie - NO - (I reckon Inkspot knows the answer)

Is it most famous for instrumental versions of it?

Perhaps I really meant "are the versions most commonly heard now instrumental versions".

My Way?

HUZZAH

We have a winner MY WAY it is (Originally 'Comme d'habitude', written by Claude François and Jacques Revaux, English language version by Paul Anka - who is of course, Canadian, as I really did know)
Passing the microphone to Inkspot

yay!

Thank you INJ, a bit tricky at the end there as I was torn between Sinatra and Scott Walker and goes back to the "Related to Asian ....Europe" reply.

Anyhoo into the weekend with MINERAL

Is it usually brown?

manufactured?

Congrats - The culture question was a bit tricky as I reckon it's known at least everywhere that knows of Sinatra or karaoke. The unchallenged assumption was the single 'composer'.

Metal?

[flerdle] Is it usually brown - No
[ImNotJohn] manufactured - No
[Dandalf] Metal - No (it is in such very low qunatities that a Yes could be misleading)

A physical geographical feature?

Essentially water?

[ImNotJohn] A physical geographical feature - No
[Rosie] Essentially water - No (a few chuckles from the audience)

solid?

An astronomical object?

To do with petrochemicals?

A geographical feature?

[ImNotJohn] solid - No
[Tuj] An astronomical object - Yes (loud applause from the audience)
[Raak] To do with petrochemicals - No
[Projoy] A geographical feature - No

(as the applause dies down, on or two mutter about solid but are shhhushed and elbowed)

A planet?

A comet?

[Raak] Not essentially water. Or are some comets made of something else?

[Projoy] A planet - No (some of the audience mutter and start to pay atttention)
[Raak] A comet - No

A meteorite?

A moon?

A star?

[Dandalf] A meteorite - No
[Néa] A moon - No (there is some uncalled for throwing of solid objects around)
[Phil] A star - Yes (There is an oooooohhhh as everyone settles down again)

The sun?

A well-known star?

[irach] The sun - YES it was our very own G2 star
[Raak] A well-known star - yes but...
irach well done over to you the throne is yours

Thanks... Here goes
This one is mostly ANIMAL with a little bit of MINERAL.

A woman in a chainmail bikini?

Is the animal part human?

A belt?

[Nea] I wish it were, but No
[Phil] No
[Tuj] No

A leather jacket?

[Rosie] No

Is the animal part alive?

Is the animal a mammal?

[Raak] No
[Nea]Yes. A mammalian source. (The audience stifles its collective yawn mid-yawn at this disclosure)

An item of clothing?

Is the animal part edible?

Is the finished item mass produced?

Some sort of dairy product?

A trumpet made from a yak femur with a metal mouthpiece?

Custard pie in a tin plate?

[Rosie] No.
[Phil} Yes. (the audience sits up, taking notice)
[Inkspot] Yes. In certain climes.
[Irouleguy] Yes! (The audience now cheers)[Raak] No femurs or any skeletal remains involved, nor any Tibetan bovine connection
[flerdle] No, unfortuntely.

Is the animal part ivory?

Egg?

Lassi?

[Danfdalf] No, not ivory, since it's edible... (see response to Phil above. I don't believe ivory is edible,in any culture, or even compatible with human digestion.)
[Projoy]No. (Not an egg, since it it comes from an aforementioned mammalian source. No, not even a platypus or echidna egg)
[Raak] No, but continue to think various ethnic (the audience nudges one another in anticipation as it holds its collective breath).

Yoghurt?

Is the mineral salt?

Raita?

Is the mineral part metal?

Blue Cheese?

[Irouleguy] No, not yoghurt.
[Raak] Yes. The mineral is indeed salt
Raita. No. Think a diffrent ethnicity from Lassi and raita, yet a moo-vable feast.
[Phil] No, but oh, so close- (The audience stomps its feet in apreciation)

Haloumi?

Feta?

French?

Italian?

Stilton?

Hm. Added salt - mozzarella?

[irach] Clearly you've never enjoyed "Oreilles d'elephant au gratin d'ivoire!" :)

The name of a specific cheese?

(I take the 'moo-vable feast' to mean that this ios a cows milk cheese)

Labneh?

Some sort of dressing?

[flerdle] Not haloumi
[Phil] Not feta
[INJ] Oui! The audience rises to its collective feet, kiss one another on both cheeks, and begin a raucous rendition of "Le Marseillase".
[Inkspot] No
[Projoy] No.
[INJ] Yes, name of a specific cheese.
[Irouleguy] Not labneh
[Projoy]Not a dressing.

[INJ] (Wikipedia confirms that it is a cow's milk product)

[Dandalf] While I have eaten fried alligator, and even braved a possum stew once, I have never had the opportunity of partaking of "Oreilles d'elephant au gratin d'ivoire". Do they serve it at L'Pergolese in Paris? Dined there last Wednesday, and it wasn't on the menu that day.

A soft cheese?

(brie/camembert type rather than say Tomme)

Munster?

[INJ] I am guessing not. The salt is probably a brine wash.

oops

[INJ] Sorry, I was wrong. Googling confirms that brie is salted as well. I didn't know that.

Roquefort?

[irach] Not at L'Pergolese, it is a speciality of the Cote d'Ivoire. No longer served in Paris because of CITES restrictions on the export of ivory. Sadly also being phased out in C d'I as source of main ingredients considered endangered, but is being replaced by col de giraffe tranché au Roquefort (q.v.)

[INJ] Yes! It was Brie. (While Brie doesn't have as high a salt content as Cheddar for example, it does have a moderate salt content, as CdM determined by his Googling).
[CdM] Not Munster
[Dandolf] Good guess, but Non
Take it away, ImNotJohn!

Useless trivia "R" us

Roquefort is a sheep's milk cheese...

Well, technically, I didn't actually guess it; still, here goes with MINERAL and VEGETABLE

The Stone Roses?

Edible?

A geographical feature?

[INJ] Not only did you not get it, we still don't even know what kind of brie we were talking about. Brie de Meaux? Brie de Melun? Brie de Nangis? Brie de Reactor?

A manufactured item?

[Phil] Stone Roses - NO
[Rosie] Edible - NO
[CdM] geographical feature? - NO (ish)
[Inks] A manufactured item? - YES (ish)
(depending on definitions of feature and item)

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