[Rosie] Eh? Since when was growl banned from big bands? I've written it into swing charts myself. Bubber Miley in Duke Ellington's band?

(Pablo) You certainly wouldn't put in a growl when playing ensemble but I agree it could easily be part of an ad lib solo. I've even tried it myself but not to any great effect.

[Rosie] No? Try the first 10 sec of this

[Pablo] I relate that music to not very good chocolate chip cookies (though, if given them, I won't refuse) because of this

(Pablo) Top trumpet players but that isn't a growl, it's the wa-wa mute and probably marked as such on the chart.