mc5 - AVMA Take 2

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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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Dead? Um. Well, I think the correct answer is that it was never really alive. Which might make you wonder if it is actually animal at all -- and I admit that I have had to think hard about that. My conclusion is that it *is* animal, though I could see someone making the case that it is vegetable. And still never really living. Or not exactly. Confused? So am I, despite the fact that it really is a simple AVMA topic.

Smaller than a pinhead?

Begins with a P?

Edible?

Fictional?

A Snark, as in the Lewis Carroll poem (Boojum or not)?

Insufficient room for angels? It is of no specific size, but it is not smaller than a pinhead?
Begins with P? No.
Edible? Yes. *some audience chuckling at the juxtaposition of the last two questions*
Fictional? No.
Snarky? No.

Is it unique?

A mineral, despite the classification?

Of marine origin?

Limestone?

Unique? No. (actually, not really a relevant question)
Mineral? No.
Marinal? No.
Limestone? No.

A brain?

A fossil?

Brain? No. (I don't think there would be any ambiguity there.)
Fossil? No. (Not mineral.)

Yeast?

Yeast? No.

Insect like?

liquid?

Insect-like? No (but some *applause*)
Liquid? Usually, yes.

Royal Jelly?

Sorry to ask 2 in a row, but it's a long time between them.

An oil?

Royal jelly? No, but *loud applause*.
Oil? No.

Honey?

Tree sap?

Honey is correct. Is honey more like milk (surely animal), or regurgitated carrots (probably stlll vegetable)? I think the answer is milk, but I'm not sure. *hands somewhat sticky baton to Raak*

The next is MINERAL and ANIMAL, with ABSTRACT connections.

Water off a duck's back?

[i] Not water off (or on) a duck's back.

Is the mineral component metal?

Rats! I was hesitating between Honey & Royal Jelly and decided that I would have put honey as more vegetable-ish.

Human animal?

{S} Not human.

Exceeding dimensional equivalence with a domestic bread grilling machine?

And my metal question?

[INJ] Oops, yes, mostly metal. Bigger than a toaster.

Animal leather?

Is it unique?

Any artistic connections?

[R] Not leather.
[T] Not unique.
[INJ] Yes, artistic, broadly understood.

Movable?

[S] Erm....yes, movable.

Associated with film or television?

Found in the home?

[INJ] applause! Associated with film or television.
[R] laughter! Not found in the home.

Begins with a P?

[T] Does not begin with a P. Bonus answer: there is not a single P on the card.

[Raak] Have you checked on the back as well?

[CdM] It's a Möbius card.

Associated with the *creation* of film or TV content?

[Raak] Ah, ok. Have you checked the edge?

A dalek?

[INJ] Not a dalek.

Pinewood studios

[S] Not a film director's tree hut.

[CdM] Associated with the creation of film or TV content? Like, equipment, screenplays, production crew, etc? No.

TV?

(Rather than film)

[INJ] Yes, TV rather than film.

Dr. Who's Tardis phone booth?

[i] Bigger inside than out? No.

A location or set?

[R] Not a location or set.

Associated with a specific TV programme?

Associated with Star Trek?

[Tuj] Yes, associated with a specific TV programme.
[P] Boldly going? No.

Associated with a children's TV programme?

[K] Not children's TV.

British TV?

[CdM] Not children's TV.

[CdM] Ahem. Yes, British TV.

Red Dwarf?

[S] Not Red Dwarf.

TV drama?

[K] Not TV drama.

Is the animal a character in the TV show (such as Skippy the Wonder Horse)?

[CdM] Not a character.

Comedy?

[S] Yes, comedy.

Monty Python?

[S] *applause* It is Monty Python!

That is, it is from Monty Python. Still a way to go.

The University of Wallamaloo?

Bibo ergo sum.

A Norwegian Blue in a cage?

[R] Not UW.
[CdM] Not pining for the fjords.

Dead bird and cage in the " Dead Parrot" skit?

[i] CdM just asked that.

Does it feature in one of their films?

[GIII] It doesn't feature in any of their feature films, but I couldn't swear that it's not in things like The Secret Policeman's Ball.

Is the animal actually a single animal?

[INJ] some applause Not a single animal.

All things dull and ugly?

[CdM] Not all things dull and ugly.

A bucketful of piranha?

Only a bit larger than a toaster.

[R] *a scattering of applause* Not a bucketful of piranhas.

The zinc stoat?

[S] Not the zinc stoat.

Spiny Norman?

Never mind; that's a single animal.

the name of a species?

[CdM] Not a Spiny Norman.
[P] (Consults Wikipedia.) Can be the name of a species.

From Series 1?

[P] (Consults Wikipedia.) (Consults Google.) (Consults Wikipedia.) (Consults Wikipedia again. Did you know that Line 6 of the Beijing Subway (北京地铁６号线) is currently under construction and is scheduled to be opened in 2012? And that the Öjendorfer See has an area of 460,000 m²?) Yes, Series 1.

A blind bat

(A nod's as good as a wink, know what I mean, say no more)

A hovercraft full of eels?

[P] Not a blind bat.
[INJ] *stock footage of women applauding* It is a hovercraft full of eels! I'm afraid we're all out of batons at the moment, will spam do?

My nipples explode with delight.

Well if that hadn't been correct I think I would have given up.

So, here we go again with a simple ANIMAL

Human?

[SW] Human - YES (there's a good start)

Alive?

Couldn't last

[Rosie] Alive? - NO

Fictional?

[PJ] Made-up name? - NO

Mainly known for artistic connections?

Rattling along nicely

[Raak] Arty-farty? - YES

Died in C20th?

Performer (broadly defined) rather than creator?

(intending no slight to the creative aspects of performance...)

Begins with P?

Pablo Picasso?

Well, come on, Tuj has to be correct once in a while :)

William Morris?

[PJ] died in C20? - NO
[CdM] Performer? - NO (* a few chuckles in the audience*)
[Tuj] P starter? - NO
[Dujon] Picasso? - I'm not going to tell you - (anyway, who's going to set an answer beginning with P now?)
[Rosie] A minor Morris? - NO

Politician?

[Software] Politician? - NO

Died in the C18th or earlier?

[PJ] Ancient? - NO

Died in C21?

By a process of elimination.........

[PJ] Just gone? - NO
OK I give in - died in the 19th century.

Born in the C19?

Deduction r us.

Female?

[Pj] Born in C19? - YES
[CdM] Weaker sex? - NO *ducks missiles from audience*

A painter?

Was English his mother tongue?

Novelist?

British, dammit?

I always think not logging on over the weekend is a good sign

[Rosie] - Painter? - NO
[CdM] Anglophone? - YES
[Pj] Novelist? - NO
[Software] British? - YES

A poet?

[Raak] Poet? - YES *applause*

Tennyson?

I know lurking on AVMA is bad form. I apologise.

It's OK if your guess is wrong

[nights] Tennyson? - NO

Ralph Waldo Emerson?

Let the guessfest commence

[Projoy] RWE? - NO (he's not very British)

Edward Lear?

Are his works typically found on school curricula?

Just trying to get some sense of how major/minor a poet he is. If the question is too vague or difficult to verify, feel free to give me some other kind of answer to the question!)

[Projoy] Pleasant to know? - NO
[CdM] Major/Minor? - I would expect to find him on some school curricula. I expect the vast majority of morniverse contributors to have heard of him without googling.

Robert Browning?

[Projoy] Gravy poet? - NO ([CdM] a poet of a similar public stature to Browning IMO, if that helps)

Kipling?

[Software] An exceedingly good poet? - NO (I haven't checked, but I know he made it well into the C20th)

Gerard Manley Hopkins?

[Projoy] That might or might not be right, but knowing INJ as I do, I can tell you that it is an inspired guess

Associated with a particular region of the world?

[Projoy] GMH? - YES!!! HOPKINS it is.

One instressed baton handed on.

[Projoy] Told you so.

The Projoypartner has recently been very into Inversnaid...

ABSTRACT

Photography?

[Rosie] flash flash grin grin? - NO

Phrase or saying?

Related to the arts?

[Sw] phrase/saying? NOT REALLY (I suppose it is a phrase, strictly speaking)
[INJ] Arts-related? NO.

Something to do with Scotland?

culturally specific?

Seasonal?

[GIII] Scottish? OCH, NO.
[INJ] Culturally specific? YES
[Software] Seasonal? YES *applause*

Christmas-related?

[You and Your Kin(rah)] X-mas the spot? YES! *more applause*

A Christmas Carol?

Santa-related?

[Softers] Christmas Carol? NO
[INJ] Fat trespasser? NO

Does the word "Christmas" appear on the card?

[CdM] Christmas/Card? NO

Seasons greetings?

[SW] Seasons Greetings? NO

Also related to legs?

[Duj] Legs? Um, NO.

Musical connection?

[CdM] Musicky? NO

A state of mind or body?

[Rosie] State? NO

Is the specific culture that of the English-speaking Christian peoples?

Religiousness?

[INJ] Specific to Anglophone Xtians? YES, pretty much.
[Chalky] Religiosity? NO (I'm assuming that was a guess).

Primarily concerned with the religious rather than secular aspects of Christmas?

The Nativity?

[CdM] Spirit over Secularity? NO
[Chalky] The Nativity? NO.

Primarily commercial in nature?

[Chalky] Good to see you back contributing.

[INJ] Commercial? NO (although there is an historical link with commerce)

Food-related?

[Phil yer phace] Phood? NO.

Merry Christmas?

[GL] "Merry Christmas" - NO, not the phrase itself but The Answer could form part of the phrase's referent.

*sounds of discontented pedantic muttering in audience*

The season to be jolly?

Had that in my head for a while, need to get rid of it.

[Kinrah] TSTBJ? NO, but see referent comment above.

Connected to some specific Christmas tradition?

Does it describe a period of time?

[CdM] Specific Tradition? YES
[INJ] Period of time? YES *applause

New Year's Day?

Christmas Day?

Boxing Day

To complete the set

INJ has it! Whereas the other two are Xtian (in general) dates, Boxing Day is more a Commonwealth affair. Over to INJ. *hands box-shaped baton to INJ*

Pausing only to take the ribbon and bow off the baton

OK then, this one is Animal or Vegetable (with Abstract connections)

A musical instrument?

[Raak] Instrumental? - NO

Is it edible?

[Tuj] Food, glorious food? - NO

Manufactured?

As you state Animal OR Vegetable - is this an either/or - or can it be both?

[and thanks INJ for welcome back. I am healing - slowly but shurely :)]

[Projoy] Manufactured - YES
[Chalky] Animal/Vegetable? - Either/Or is probably the most helpful, but in both cases that would be predominantly, rather than entirely.

Is it found indoors?

If animal, then a specific part of an animal?

[Chalky] Indoors? - YES
[Rosie] Specific part of an animal? - YES (at least for the predominant part)
Thinking about my answer to Chalky, the 'predominantly' bit, although true, is probably not helpful. From now on I will ignore the minor elements in my answers unless specifically asked.

Sticky in texture?

Is the vegetable wood?

(I don't think that's the same question as Software just asked...)

Begins with P?

[Chalky] A hearty welcome back from over here too =)

Is the animal bone?

[Software] Like a stick? - NO
[CdM] Like a big stick? - NO
[Tuj] P....? - NO
[Rosie] Bonie? - NO

Does its name describe its function?

Leather?

Like Dan and Dunx, it is well known that Rosie and Raak are the same person, an 80 year old hedgehog-trapper living in the New Forest.

Some sort of covering?

Perfume?

[Projoy] Does what it says on the tin? - NO
[Raak] Leather? - YES - that is the animal component - at least, that's easily a better answer than No
[GLog] A covering? - NO
[Rosie] Smellie? - NO

A lucky rabbits foot?

[Software] Cruelty to lapines? - NO

Functional?

Larger than a toaster?

Is the vegetable a fabric?

[CdM] Functional? - NO * A few 'tut's from a small minority of the audience*
[Chalky] That toaster question - Similar in total volume, depending on the toaster, but differently shaped.
[Projoy] A fabric? - NO (though we might get into a discussion of definitions)

Is it written on?

[Projoy] Written on? - YES *Applause*

Is it a scroll?

Is The Answer the name of a type of document?

[Raak] Scroll? - NO
[Projoy] A type of document - NO - but *applause*

Ornamental?

[Chalky] Ooh, innit pretty? - NO - at least not primarily (or secondarily, or tertially, come to that)

Not Functional/Ornamental - how about Educational?

[Chalky] Educational? - NO (to most values of 'Educational') - some would disagree quite strongly

A plaster cast?

A book?

Is there a specific kind of writing to be found thereon?

[Software] Plaster Cast? - NO
[Chalky] Book? - YES
[Projoy] specific kind of writing? - NO

To summarise, it's a book primarily made of leather that isn't funtional, ornamental or educational?

The Bible?

A specific title.

I hope Rosie has it.

An autograph book?

Getting close

[GLogin] Remember: either Animal or Vegetable
[Rosie] The Bible? - YES, *Applause* But you have not yet got the words on the card
[Projoy] A specific Title? - YES
[Raak] Sign here please? - NO

The Authorised King James Version?

A Gutenberg Bible?

A Gideon's Bible?

We have a winner.

Projoy has it - A/The Gutenberg Bible it is. There were about 180 Gutenberg bibles, about 40 printed on vellum and the rest on paper, giving the either/or.

A leather-bound baton passed on to Projoy

Splendid. OK. Here's another. ABSTRACT/ANIMAL

Is the animal element human?

[Kinrah] Animal human? Strictly speaking, NO. *audience laughter and cries of "bad luck!"*

Is it a mythical animal?

Fictional?

[GL] Mythical? NO
[CdM] Fictional? YES

Best known from Film or TV?

[INJ] Best known from film or TV? NOT SURE. I expect that some would say yes, others no, but no stats available.

(PS. For myself and probably for yourself, the answer would be NO, I suspect.)

The Christmas elf?

[Software] Winterval wellbeing? NO

A character in literature later adapted for the screen?

[INJ] Book > Screen? *much animated whispering in audience* Strictly, NO. *continued animated whispering in audience*

Character in a comedy?

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