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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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Scientific?

I know we keep having the same discussions over and over again in the morniverse. It may be one of its defining features. Still, this one is a more than a bit tiresome, because the discussion really is identical each time. Someone (usually Rosie, to be honest) complains that the chosen subject was unsuitable because they hadn't heard of it, and they conjecture that most others have not heard of it either. Someone else (often me, to be honest :-) ) observes that there is no requirement for this game to follow the "spirit of the original game", because this game is on the internets, where we have search engines. Can we just agree to disagree on this one, and accept that people have different standards for what makes a reasonable/good subject?

I'd add two points. First, I think Rosie may have actually misjudged Dahmer's notoriety. I certainly knew of him, and I suspect the majority here have heard of him as well (which probably says something good about Rosie and bad about the rest of us, come to think of it). Second, this is an international community, so I don't think the trivia of "this country" should be privileged: in the global scheme of things, I expect that Dahmer is much better known than Sutcliffe, Shipman or Hindley.

Specific to a single culture?

[CdM] Point taken - and I think my lack of knowledge about Dahmer probably reflects on me (I do tend to avoid that sort of story). That said; to me, googling to get the answer feels like cheating.

A human concept?

I'd never heard of him but I did Google-up 5 US serial killers wiped out in jail. I do, however, suspect that Shipman and Hindley are much better known this side of the pond.

[CdM] Scientific? IN BROAD TERMS
[INJ] Specific to a single culture? NO
[Software] A human concept? YES *some discontented muttering from epistemologists*

Mathematical?

[INJ] To be clear, if something can't be guessed with good questioning and a little googling, then I too would judge it a bad subject. I gave up on my experiment of using randomly generated topics from Wikipedia because they too often failed that test (an Estonian province comes to mind...).
[Software] Well, for some definitions of "this side" and "pond", yes. Very possibly not for my current definitions of those terms. Which was my point.

[CdM] Numbery? NO

Learning?

Could we please cease to comment on the previous challenge? Thanks.

Connectivity?

[Dujon] Learning? NO *a ripple of interest in the audience*
[Rosie] Connectivity? NO

Medical?

[Chalky] Medical? KIND OF *a couple of claps from the audience*

An idea?

[SW] An idea? YES, a sort of idea.

Related somehow to the discussions raised by the previous topic?

Sorry Dujon!

[Biggsy] Related to the Internet vs. Rosie's general knowledge, and which is better debate? Thankfully, NO.

Hm. Rosie's General Knowledge and The Internet. They're both rather marvellous bases for games... but which is better? There's only one way to find out!

Something to do with mental processes?

[Rosie] Mental processes? YES! *applause*

Would this have a direct relationship to the lore of the Australian Aborigine?

Risk aversion?

[Dujon] Dreamtime? NO
[Rosie] Risk aversion? NO

Is the answer a term for the analysis of certain mental processes?

A Freudian slip?

Memory?

[Rosie] Term for Analysis? NO
[irach] Saying one thing but meaning a mother? NO
[Phil] Memory? YES! But that's not the whole answer *muchos applausos*

Genetic memory?

[Dujon] Twisted to fit? NO

Nostalgia?

Projoy, you know perfectly well that my stockings are always seamless or straight. ;-)

[Dujon] Nostalgia? CLOSE! *"ooooh" from audience, and collective intake of breath, causing momentary decompression and fainting spells*

Long-term memory?

[Phil] Long-term? NO a couple of applaus.

Collective memory?

[Software] Collective? NO.

Folk memory?

[CdM] Recollections of The Seekers? NO

Is this a one-word answer?

[Chalky] Monolexical? NO. The word "memory" is on the card with one other word + an article.

A Recovered Memory?

Distant memory?

...Should have read "A Distant Memory?

A false memory

IIRC

[Rosie] A recovered memory? NOT QUITE, but you're practically treading on its tail now.
[irach] Distant memory? NO.
[Software] A false memory? YES! That is the exact answer I started with on the card... or at least... I think it was.

You know, I could have sworn I put a line under that last move.

I find myself winning again. That's a bummer, now I'll have to think of something. Wait there, I'll be back in a jiffy.

[Projoy] I was awake all last night trying to remember the proper word for memory loss...I ended up with insomnia...

I am obviously completely out of kilter with you lot, having never heard of the phrase 'false memory'...
;-)

[Chalky] Don't worry, you're in kilter with me...I'd never heard of it before either. Actually, you might want to worry, on reflection.

[Phil] Not even in the phrase "false memory syndrome" (a frequently occuring concept in crime stories!)

I'm fairly sure I've heard of false memory....fairly sure....

I knew it at one time - or did I?

[Projoy] No. Not until I looked it up - I don't read much any more, alas :-(

Got it!

Abstract with Animal, Vegetable and Mineral connections.

"An Iron hand in a velvet glove"?

A religious icon of some sort or other?

Software, you really must realize that this is a family friendly site and that the word 'vegetable' should never have any less prominence than the words 'meat' and 'three'. I bet you hate Brussels sprouts, cabbage and cauliflower too. ;-)

Animal human?

(Duj) And so do I. I'd rather chew on a baby toad.

This game?

[Irach] Saw? NO
[Duj] Iconic? NO
[Rosie] Manly? YES
[Phil] Morniverse? NO

An invention?

Related to athletic pursuits?

[Rosie] I love vegies, Brussels Sprouts in particular.

[Rosie] Genius? NOish
[Duj] Humping? NO

An activity?

IT-related?

Including software.

[INJ] moving? NO
[Rosie] Me related? NO - audience mermers

Someone involved in the theoritcal construction of what we now know as a computer?

[Duj] Virtual Babbage? NO.

Does the animal lend its name to this?

Related to the Arts?

(defined as widely as you like)

Does what some animals do lend its name to this?

Does it begin with a P?

** Back from London conference **

[Rosie] Animal cracker? NO
[Duj] Beastly habits? In a loose kind of way, YES
[ISP] P? NO, not a one.

Is this a physical process?

[Rosie] A process? NO

[ISP] a slight update, there is actually a word beginning with P in the phrase

Is it a single specific mineral?

And my previous question as well please - (Arty?)

[INJ] Arty? NO; Specific mineral? NO

Would this be a mariner's term?

[Duj] A term? YES! but not a mariners

specific to a profession or trade?

[INJ] Trade or Profession oriented? Well, in a way, YES!

Would this be a verancular expression - such as 'taking the piss'?

[Duj] Mickey? NO. Hint: This is a 3 word phrase very much in the news at present.

Pigs might swim?

The Credit Crunch

Someone had to say it

[INJ] Cash shortage? NO. Not the words on the card but on the right track.

It's terribly, terribly quiet in here, Software. Perhaps all are awaiting the answer to my last?

[Duj] Swine fever? NO. [I've been on holiday :o)]

Popeye Eats Spinach?

This one was 'set' on 24th March - 7 flippin weeks ago!
[Softers] Bearing the above in mind - is your clue/hint still valid?

Is it related to the world financial situation?

[Chalks] Bluto? NO! (Welcome back, Chalky. Yes, it is still valid)
[INJ] Money, money, money? YES!

To do with MPs' expenses?

Simply gotta be.

sub-prime mortgages?

[Rosie] I think this clue pre-dates the breaking of that scandal.

[Rosie] Parliamentary rip-offs? NO. INJ has it in a nutshell, this game has been like the Mouse Trap.
[INJ] Toxic debt? NO. much less specific to the current times

Is the word "recession" on the card?

[Projoy]Lack of business confidence? NO.

To do with a healthy economy?

[Projoy] Boyancy? YES! actually can cut both ways but essentially correct

Inflation?

(it probably says something about my age that I associate inflation with economic health)

[Projoy] Bulging cost? YES Remember 3 words on the card !! have we made this a private game? ;o)

Any reference to bubbles?

Retail Price Index?

The housing boom?

Ding!

Passes the baton over to Chalks. Nice to see you back and in fine form!

[Softers] Thanks mate :-) Delighted and all that.
However, is this a poisoned chalice/baton I be picking up? I really don't want to set a new one unless I know for sure that all interested parties are going to play nicely and in a regular manner. [In otherwords: I'm not sure if I can sustain a chairpersonship for 9+ weeks - which is what you had to do]

Patience is a virtue ...

or so it's oft said. Just dive in the deep end and let it flow. I'm sure some people will play.

Oka-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ay. I shall keep it simple

A N I M A L

Alive?

[Projoy] Alive? YES

Human?

[Graham III] Human? YES

Man?

An entertainer?

Promises to play nicely.

British?

That's m'girl :o)

[Kim] Man? YES
[Rosie] Entertainer? YES
[Software] British? YES

Does he work mainly on television?

[Raak] Television? YES

Involved in panel games?

6 consecutive YES's must be near a record.

[Rosie] Panel gamer? YES
7 yes's!

On "Have I Got News For You"?

Does he speak fluent Khosa?

[Raak] HIGNFY? At some point - YES
[CdM] Fluent Khosa [Xhosa?] That's two questions. Please re-submit your question and play nicely from here on in.

:)

Has he been chairman of HIGNFY?

very well -- Does he speak?

And, yes, Xhosa seems to be the much more common spelling, though both are in use

keeping it simple

[Rosie] Chairman of HIGNFY? NO
[CdM] Does he speak? YES

A comedian?

(CdM) But can you speak it without causing yourself grave injury? If so, you should have no problem with Machynlleth.

[Rosie] A comedian? YES - amongst other things

A chat show host?

Paul Merton?

Stephen Fry?

He does everything else, so why shouldn't he be the answer to this as well?

Richard E Grant?

Alistair McGowan?

Begins with a P?

"...all interested parties are going to play nicely and in a regular manner..." check

keeping it very simple

INJ is correct!
So I don't have to reply to all the other attempts. Even yours, Tuj :)

It gives me enormous oodles of delicious pleasure to hand the baton over to a deserving winner - ImNotJohn

That's more like it

Has the blessed Mr F never been a guest chairman of HIGNFY? Seems unlikely.
Anyway, the next one is Mineral

FeS2?

Because it begins with P
[Rosie] I can make a passably good attempt at Macheelinneth. Remember, I am half-Welsh. :-)

[CdM] Fool's gold? - NO

A manufactured object?

[Raak] Manufactured? - YES

Mineral = metal?

Well done Chalky! It must be your female wiles that can encourage such a swift result ;o)

A portable device?

(CdM) Nice one. :-) I believe you, BTW.

Rock?

[INJ - Unlikely but true. In this forum, I would never post a reply without checking the facts first -- you are all way too canny :)
Here is a Wiki quote: "In April 2003, three-time guest panellist Stephen Fry announced that he was boycotting the show following the sacking of Angus Deayton. Fry described Deayton's disposal as "greasy, miserable, British and pathetic"."]

[Software] Metallic? - NO
[Rosie] Portable? - NO some chuckles in the audience
[Chalky] - Rocky? - YES [Re SF - Actually, now you remind me, I do vaguely remember that.]

A portaloo?

hmmm

[Raak] Portable, partly metallic structure with no rock in it? - NO

A tunnel?

(Chalky) Fry was right, even if Deayton is not everybody's cup of tea.

Related to fire but not necessarily fired?

Artistic?

[Rosie] Tunnel? - NO
[Dujon] Flambé? - NO
[CdM] Artistic? - NO (some murmurs in the audience)

Found in the UK?

[Software] UK-located? - NO

Is this a specific individual object?

[Raak] Specific individual object? - YES

The Great Wall of China?

The Colluseum?

100% rock?

[Rosie] Mah Jong setup? - NO
[Software] Colosseum? - NO
[CdM] The rock, the whole rock and nothing but the rock? - YES (technically I don't know that, but don't worry)

Is it a work of sculpture?

Does it have a specific purpose?

Rock of Gibralta?

A rather large carving?

homing in

[Raak] Sculpture? - YES
[CdM] Specific purpose? - It may have had, but I don't know it
[Chalky] Herculean Pillar? - NO
[Dujon] Large Carving? - YES (Applause)

The Sphinx?

The riddle is solved

We have a winner! The Sphinx it is.

The baton is passed inscrutably to Software.

Oh, no. Not me again! Hope it doesn't take 6 weeks this time!

Let me think ...

Ah, I know!

Abstract with Animal, Vegetable and Mineral connections.

Animal connection human?

The sign that swings outside Phil's pub?

Connected with the arts?

[Rosie] Human? - YES
[Duj] Hostelry? - NO
[IMJ} Arty-Farty? - YES

Theatrical?

Musical?

Pictorial?

Narrative?

Topical?

Human connection a single individual?

[CdM] Luvvies? - YES
[Rosie] Bandy? - NO
[Raak] Talky? - NO (well, maybe a bit)
[Duj] Newsey? - YES (in the UK at least)
[INJ] Loner? - YES

On television?

Is The Answer the title of a play?

[Projoy] Play - Not a play exactly but YESish

[Raak] TV? -YES

Does the name of the loner appear as part or all of the title?

The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin?

[CdM] see below -
[Rosie] Boing! Spot on!

Discretely hands the baton over to Rosie!

[Rosie] Good luck putting that baton back together. :-)

(CdM) That's TNT for you.

This one is MINERAL, sort of. Should be fairly easy.

Mineral = stone?

Tangible?

(Softers) - Stone? - No, not as we recognise it.
(CdM) - Tangible - *audience hilarity* I wouldn't try.

Lava?

Salt?

Raak - Not lava.
Sierra Mike - Salty? Ha-Harrr! Not loikely, me dearie.

Related to nuclear fission?

Dujon - NO, not fission.

Is it deep underground?

Extraterrestrial?

Raak - NO, nowhere on the Tube.
(Softers) - YES, most certainly. *audience applause*

Pluto?

(Raak) - NO, not little Pluto.

Related to the sun?

(INJ) - Sun-related? Just about, but indirectly.

Within the solar system?

(Raak) - NO, not within the solar system.

An extra-solar planet?

(Raak) - NO, not an extra-solar planet.

An expansion of some kind?

Without the solar system?

A star, or collection of stars?

Inter-stellar dust clouds?

(Dujon) - *cruel laughter from know-alls in audience* - Not a bit of it.
(CdM) - YES, not within city limits.
(INJ) - YES, in a way. (to one of your two questions, you naughty boy).
(Software) - Space fog? - NO.

A neutron star?

(Raak)- NO, not a neutron star, but *audience applause*

A black hole?

The event horizon?

A White Dwarf?

[Rosie] No, just 1 question, to be followed up, depending on the answer.

(INJ) NO, far too big :-).
(Software) V bad luck, but don't stand too close to it because it's RAAK's BLACK HOLE, if you see what I mean. Awesome deductive powers, sir. Have a newly-repaired baton.

That was a bit quick. Next time it'll be a particular steam engine. *evil grin*

ANIMAL.

Human?

Yes, human.

Male?

Living?

Fictional?

Male? Could be.
Living? When it exists, it is living.
Fictional? Can be.

Someone defined by their job?

Jobsworth? No.

Juvenile as opposed to adult?

Could be either.

Communicates by speaking?

Is this person known by a figurative reference?

Someone defined by their relationship to other people?

[Bigsmith] Could speak, but not relevant.
[Rosie] No figurative reference.
[INJ] To other people? No.

Someone noted for an achievement?

Does the Animal occupy a titular position?

[Rosie] Not an achievement.
[Software] Not entitled.
Everyone seems to be assuming that this is a single person.

A dwarf?

Not a dwarf.

A gathering for a particular event?

A group of people dedicated to a cause (e.g. a club)?

[Rosie] *applause!* Yes, a gathering for an event.
[Dujon] Supporting a tiddlywinks team? No.

A demonstration?

[Projoy] more applause! Not a demonstration.

A flash mob?

An audience?

[Software] Quite the opposite, for...
[CdM] A flash mob it is. A sudden crowd of naked unicyclists appear and hand you their batons.

That was unexpected. OK, MINERAL

Metallic (mainly or wholly)?

Metallic? Largely, yes.

Man-made?

Man-made? Yes.

An individual thing?

Individual thing? Not sure what you mean. The answer on the card is a single named item, but there are many of them in existence. Or, to put it another way, the first word on the card is an indefinite article.

Small, i.e. pocketable?

An electrical implement?

Pocketable? No.
Electrical? Yes.

An expression of a collection?

Expression of a collection? No. A single named item, as noted above.

High-tech?

High-tech? There are probably high-tech incarnations of this, but the answer has to be no.

A domestic item?

Domestic? Yes

From the pre-electronics age, e.g. electric kettle?

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