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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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[Projoy] J. Dahmer? CORRECT! I thought that would go quicker, as he was the first serial killer that sprung to my mind. Not a terribly nice chap, but I do find the US police's attitude to their inept, racist, homophobic officers rather disgraceful and distasteful. Anyway, I hand over a baton made of nothing ghastly, thankfully.

So, Jeffrey Dahmer, then. Not exactly a name on everyone's lips. What proportion of the people in this country have ever 'eard of the bugger? The square root of a mouse's ear'ole, at a generous estimate. What on earth is the point of all this? There are better things to do than ferret around websites looking for the name, amongs hundreds, of American serial killers. The answer should be in one's head, if the spirit of the original game is to be followed. This game is a waste of time.

Yes but

As often happens, I find myself broadly in agreement with Rosie’s viewpoint, though not with his way of expressing it or conclusion. I lose interest in this game the moment it becomes evident that I’m going to have to start searching the web for the answer. I know others take the view that doing so is not unreasonable given the fact that this is an online game, so I won’t stop playing. However, if I get in again, I won’t select answers that I wouldn’t expect a good proportion of participants to know about.
Having said all that, I had heard of Jeffrey Dahmer, although it was only passive knowledge and I doubt if I would ever have dragged the name up without googling.
Over to Projoy

[INJ/Rosie] I apologise. I thought Jeffrey Dahmer was as well known as, say, Peter Sutcliffe, Myra Hindley, Harold Shipman et al. I didn't expect anyone to need to search the web to find the answer. It appears that I know a dangerously disproportionate amount about serial killers, and I did not intend that one to be so hard. My thought process was "Umm...what to do? I think I'll make it simple by just doing a person. Who shall I do? How about someone infamous rather than famous. Oh, I know...Jeffrey Dahmer." I even had a mental image of his photo in my head. Soz!

[Phil] You are obviously the person to have on one's pub quiz team - or are you the one who sets them?

Magnanimity

(Phil) A generous apology. The thing is that it is very frustrating, having scratched one's head throughout over what the answer could be, to find that you could never have got it in the first place. It's not as if I lack general knowledge, or was born, er, yesterday. On with the show, then.

Hm.

Well, I certainly had heard of Jeffrey Dahmer. I only resorted to google to get the fact about his being killed by another prisoner (which I didn't know). I certainly think of him as sufficiently infamous to be on the tip of people's tongues.

That said, I'm one of those who's happy to google and isn't disappointed to discover the answer was something I couldn't have guessed. For then I learn something new I did not know before and my life is just that bit brighter... and sometimes I still get to win the round despite only pretending to have known all along about the obscure answer. :-)

Anyway, my turn. This is something players may or may not have in mind already. ABSTRACT

Murder? ;-)

[Software] Both, actually - I write a quiz every week for the pub, so I tend to have a scant knowledge of a wide range of not terribly useful subjects.

Spring?

[Phil] And when dey met, it wuz... NO
[Rosie] Grass is riz? NO

To do with endings?

[Raak] Terminates here? NO

Homophobia?

Just a thought.

[Dujon] Filthy Prancing Shirtlifters? NO

A phrase or saying?

Connected with the arts?

[Phil] No apology required - my comment read as more critical than I intended. I was trying to agree with Rosie's general point rather than criticising your choice of subject, which may well have met my criteria for reasonableness. Casting my mind back, some of my subjects were probably not justifiable by those criteria anyway.

[Software] Linguistic trope? NO
[INJ] Artful? NO (only very tangentially and unhelpfully)

Scientific?

I know we keep having the same discussions over and over again in the morniverse. It may be one of its defining features. Still, this one is a more than a bit tiresome, because the discussion really is identical each time. Someone (usually Rosie, to be honest) complains that the chosen subject was unsuitable because they hadn't heard of it, and they conjecture that most others have not heard of it either. Someone else (often me, to be honest :-) ) observes that there is no requirement for this game to follow the "spirit of the original game", because this game is on the internets, where we have search engines. Can we just agree to disagree on this one, and accept that people have different standards for what makes a reasonable/good subject?

I'd add two points. First, I think Rosie may have actually misjudged Dahmer's notoriety. I certainly knew of him, and I suspect the majority here have heard of him as well (which probably says something good about Rosie and bad about the rest of us, come to think of it). Second, this is an international community, so I don't think the trivia of "this country" should be privileged: in the global scheme of things, I expect that Dahmer is much better known than Sutcliffe, Shipman or Hindley.

Specific to a single culture?

[CdM] Point taken - and I think my lack of knowledge about Dahmer probably reflects on me (I do tend to avoid that sort of story). That said; to me, googling to get the answer feels like cheating.

A human concept?

I'd never heard of him but I did Google-up 5 US serial killers wiped out in jail. I do, however, suspect that Shipman and Hindley are much better known this side of the pond.

[CdM] Scientific? IN BROAD TERMS
[INJ] Specific to a single culture? NO
[Software] A human concept? YES *some discontented muttering from epistemologists*

Mathematical?

[INJ] To be clear, if something can't be guessed with good questioning and a little googling, then I too would judge it a bad subject. I gave up on my experiment of using randomly generated topics from Wikipedia because they too often failed that test (an Estonian province comes to mind...).
[Software] Well, for some definitions of "this side" and "pond", yes. Very possibly not for my current definitions of those terms. Which was my point.

[CdM] Numbery? NO

Learning?

Could we please cease to comment on the previous challenge? Thanks.

Connectivity?

[Dujon] Learning? NO *a ripple of interest in the audience*
[Rosie] Connectivity? NO

Medical?

[Chalky] Medical? KIND OF *a couple of claps from the audience*

An idea?

[SW] An idea? YES, a sort of idea.

Related somehow to the discussions raised by the previous topic?

Sorry Dujon!

[Biggsy] Related to the Internet vs. Rosie's general knowledge, and which is better debate? Thankfully, NO.

Hm. Rosie's General Knowledge and The Internet. They're both rather marvellous bases for games... but which is better? There's only one way to find out!

Something to do with mental processes?

[Rosie] Mental processes? YES! *applause*

Would this have a direct relationship to the lore of the Australian Aborigine?

Risk aversion?

[Dujon] Dreamtime? NO
[Rosie] Risk aversion? NO

Is the answer a term for the analysis of certain mental processes?

A Freudian slip?

Memory?

[Rosie] Term for Analysis? NO
[irach] Saying one thing but meaning a mother? NO
[Phil] Memory? YES! But that's not the whole answer *muchos applausos*

Genetic memory?

[Dujon] Twisted to fit? NO

Nostalgia?

Projoy, you know perfectly well that my stockings are always seamless or straight. ;-)

[Dujon] Nostalgia? CLOSE! *"ooooh" from audience, and collective intake of breath, causing momentary decompression and fainting spells*

Long-term memory?

[Phil] Long-term? NO a couple of applaus.

Collective memory?

[Software] Collective? NO.

Folk memory?

[CdM] Recollections of The Seekers? NO

Is this a one-word answer?

[Chalky] Monolexical? NO. The word "memory" is on the card with one other word + an article.

A Recovered Memory?

Distant memory?

...Should have read "A Distant Memory?

A false memory

IIRC

[Rosie] A recovered memory? NOT QUITE, but you're practically treading on its tail now.
[irach] Distant memory? NO.
[Software] A false memory? YES! That is the exact answer I started with on the card... or at least... I think it was.

You know, I could have sworn I put a line under that last move.

I find myself winning again. That's a bummer, now I'll have to think of something. Wait there, I'll be back in a jiffy.

[Projoy] I was awake all last night trying to remember the proper word for memory loss...I ended up with insomnia...

I am obviously completely out of kilter with you lot, having never heard of the phrase 'false memory'...
;-)

[Chalky] Don't worry, you're in kilter with me...I'd never heard of it before either. Actually, you might want to worry, on reflection.

[Phil] Not even in the phrase "false memory syndrome" (a frequently occuring concept in crime stories!)

I'm fairly sure I've heard of false memory....fairly sure....

I knew it at one time - or did I?

[Projoy] No. Not until I looked it up - I don't read much any more, alas :-(

Got it!

Abstract with Animal, Vegetable and Mineral connections.

"An Iron hand in a velvet glove"?

A religious icon of some sort or other?

Software, you really must realize that this is a family friendly site and that the word 'vegetable' should never have any less prominence than the words 'meat' and 'three'. I bet you hate Brussels sprouts, cabbage and cauliflower too. ;-)

Animal human?

(Duj) And so do I. I'd rather chew on a baby toad.

This game?

[Irach] Saw? NO
[Duj] Iconic? NO
[Rosie] Manly? YES
[Phil] Morniverse? NO

An invention?

Related to athletic pursuits?

[Rosie] I love vegies, Brussels Sprouts in particular.

[Rosie] Genius? NOish
[Duj] Humping? NO

An activity?

IT-related?

Including software.

[INJ] moving? NO
[Rosie] Me related? NO - audience mermers

Someone involved in the theoritcal construction of what we now know as a computer?

[Duj] Virtual Babbage? NO.

Does the animal lend its name to this?

Related to the Arts?

(defined as widely as you like)

Does what some animals do lend its name to this?

Does it begin with a P?

** Back from London conference **

[Rosie] Animal cracker? NO
[Duj] Beastly habits? In a loose kind of way, YES
[ISP] P? NO, not a one.

Is this a physical process?

[Rosie] A process? NO

[ISP] a slight update, there is actually a word beginning with P in the phrase

Is it a single specific mineral?

And my previous question as well please - (Arty?)

[INJ] Arty? NO; Specific mineral? NO

Would this be a mariner's term?

[Duj] A term? YES! but not a mariners

specific to a profession or trade?

[INJ] Trade or Profession oriented? Well, in a way, YES!

Would this be a verancular expression - such as 'taking the piss'?

[Duj] Mickey? NO. Hint: This is a 3 word phrase very much in the news at present.

Pigs might swim?

The Credit Crunch

Someone had to say it

[INJ] Cash shortage? NO. Not the words on the card but on the right track.

It's terribly, terribly quiet in here, Software. Perhaps all are awaiting the answer to my last?

[Duj] Swine fever? NO. [I've been on holiday :o)]

Popeye Eats Spinach?

This one was 'set' on 24th March - 7 flippin weeks ago!
[Softers] Bearing the above in mind - is your clue/hint still valid?

Is it related to the world financial situation?

[Chalks] Bluto? NO! (Welcome back, Chalky. Yes, it is still valid)
[INJ] Money, money, money? YES!

To do with MPs' expenses?

Simply gotta be.

sub-prime mortgages?

[Rosie] I think this clue pre-dates the breaking of that scandal.

[Rosie] Parliamentary rip-offs? NO. INJ has it in a nutshell, this game has been like the Mouse Trap.
[INJ] Toxic debt? NO. much less specific to the current times

Is the word "recession" on the card?

[Projoy]Lack of business confidence? NO.

To do with a healthy economy?

[Projoy] Boyancy? YES! actually can cut both ways but essentially correct

Inflation?

(it probably says something about my age that I associate inflation with economic health)

[Projoy] Bulging cost? YES Remember 3 words on the card !! have we made this a private game? ;o)

Any reference to bubbles?

Retail Price Index?

The housing boom?

Ding!

Passes the baton over to Chalks. Nice to see you back and in fine form!

[Softers] Thanks mate :-) Delighted and all that.
However, is this a poisoned chalice/baton I be picking up? I really don't want to set a new one unless I know for sure that all interested parties are going to play nicely and in a regular manner. [In otherwords: I'm not sure if I can sustain a chairpersonship for 9+ weeks - which is what you had to do]

Patience is a virtue ...

or so it's oft said. Just dive in the deep end and let it flow. I'm sure some people will play.

Oka-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ay. I shall keep it simple

A N I M A L

Alive?

[Projoy] Alive? YES

Human?

[Graham III] Human? YES

Man?

An entertainer?

Promises to play nicely.

British?

That's m'girl :o)

[Kim] Man? YES
[Rosie] Entertainer? YES
[Software] British? YES

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