Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....
[Tuj] Clue? OK. This is a give away: almost everyone has used one of these. [CdM] Abstract? Not a phrase or saying as such, but a familiar term. [INJ] P? Not in the answer itself. * audience murmurs.*
OK. I am going to designate this as ABSTRACT with ANIMAL connections, while acknowledging that many of you might have deemed this ANIMAL with ABSTRACT connections.
Pinitial? No. Anubis? No, but *a tiny smattering of applause* Mythical? No, but *some audience murmuring and consultation of dictionaries* Well-known phrase? In a sense, yes, although that's not the best way to think of what you are looking for.
The answers to several of these questions differ depending on whether I am focusing on the abstract or animal component of the answer. My answers to date have been primarily directed at the abstract component (although I don't think any of them would be badly misleading when thought of as applying to the animal component as well.* With that in mind
Physical Existence? The abstract component has various physical manifestations (so I could also add MINERAL connections to the definition). As for the animal component, the best answer is probably No, (or perhaps Yes, of a sort), but had the question been phrased slightly differently I could have much more easily just answered Yes. Connected with a particular country? Not exactly, but *applause*. Merlion? No.
*Though I have never confirmed the existence of the animal component.
{Software] By the way, I love the picture at top right in your link. "Tom Thumb's Waistcoat," it is labeled. But since there is nothing else in the picture to indicate scale, the waistcoat in question might just as easily be too big for Kobe Bryant....
This is proving harder than I expected, so I'll offer a clarification/clue with regard to the mythical/legendary questions. The answer on the card does not refer (in either the abstract or animal sense) to something mythical or legendary in a narrow, literal myth-or-fable sense of those terms. The answer (in both senses) is legendary in the broader celebrated-renowned sense of that term, and possibly even mythical in the very broad sense of that word ("idealized").
Notorious? The human in question is perhaps not universally celebrated, but certainly "celebrated" is a better term than "notorious". The abstract sense is pretty much universally celebrated. Unknown soldier? Hardly. *some laughter*
Because you will probably have forgotten most of this when you resume this game in a post-Christmas alcoholic haze, here is a review.
The words on the card are sort of a well-known phrase that does not begin with P. The words have both an ANIMAL sense and an ABSTRACT sense. There is no controversy about the existence of either.
The ANIMAL sense is a particular male human, who was born before 1908 and died after 1908. He is known for certain non-sporting accomplishments and was sort of a war leader. He is celebrated rather than notorious, though not universally celebrated. He is legendary in the sense of being celebrated and renowned, and possibly mythical in the sense of being idealized, but he is not legendary or mythical in the more literal senses of those terms. He is not exactly connected to a particular country, but the question earned applause. He is not exactly the holder of a position or title, but that question also earned applause. He has no religious connection. He is not Anubis, the Merlion, Tom Thumb, Lady Liberty, or the Unknown Soldier.
The ABSTRACT sense came into being after 1908, and does have physical (mineral) manifestations. It is partly fictional and partly non-fictional, and it is likewise legendary in the broad senses of the words, but not in the narrow senses. I recently confirmed its existence.
T.E. Lawrence? The human is T.E. Lawrence, yes. *sustained applause*. But, though this one is now clearly there for the taking, I cannot declare Raak the winner.
It's been slowing down recently - but I still look at it and try to contribute at least once a day when I'm able to get online (though I try not to ask successive questions). Maybe we need fewer ABSTRACTs in order to get the thing moving along. After all, it's not as if other games are flying along.
[INJ] Life etc? NO [Softers] Animal a Human Beeng? NO [Raak] Manufactured? mmmm ... erm ... sometimes. [INJ] Place or Location? NO [Kim] Moi? NON :-) [Phil] AVM in one instance? Good question - YES, it can be, but then, can, as likely, not be.
[Raak] Food in general? YES! *audience cheers because the Animal/Vegetable/Mineral boxes have been ticked* [INJ] Generic description of a meal? Not exactly 'generic' - but you're heading in the right direction.. [Softers] Tasty Snack? Yes - could be
[Rosie] A snack? Yes - could be [Raak] The Mediterranean Diet? Yes - could be
It may be more useful if I change the definition to ANIMAL/MINERAL/VEGETABLE/ABSTRACT [rather than 'with Abstract connections']. We can discuss the rights and wrongs of such a move when this has been guessed :)
[Raak] Overeating? Not exactly - but * the audience applauds your attempt to explore the Abstract nature of this little puzzle* [irach] Munchies? well - having the Munchies certainly links neatly with the words on the card.
[irach] Cocktail party? Yes - could be [Kim] Non - excessive enjoyment of good food? Yes - could be [Software] Who Ate The Pies? No - but *audience applauds another attempt to explore the Abstract element*
[Aside to Softers - Are you in Jersey or Guernsey? My memory fails me]
[CdM] What we ate last night? Yes - it could include this [Kim] Entertaining in general? Remember - The AotC is not an action. However, it IS entertaining :) <<<<< points to another clue
[irach] Finger foods? Yes - it could include these [Sierra Mike] TV Dinner? Yes - it could include this [CdM] Food groups, nutrition triangles, or such-like? OK - it could include these 'though such dour terminology sits uneasily with the AotC.
Hint: It may be helpful to approach this puzzle from the ABSTRACT angle as it's clear that the A/V/M part is 'food'.
[Softers] Food for Thought? NO - but you and Raak are moving in the right direction.
Summary: The Animal/Vegetable/Mineral part is FOOD [any food in any guise]. The Abstract part originates from a work of fiction - but many things do! There is a key question that hasn't been asked yet. Oh - and it IS a well-known phrase or saying.
[Raak] Iron Chef? [Who is this person?] NO [CdM] Aphrodis/Lovin'food? NO [Sierra Mike] Answer on the Card [as per the original ISIHAC game :)
There is still a key question that should bridge the gap between 'originates from a work of fiction' and the answer. There is an intermediate level. Please keep asking Abstract-type questions and forget about guessing random food-related phrases.
[INJ] Book/Film? Good question. Originally a BOOK - which is very well-known by a very well-known author. The book has been adapted [I use the term deliberately] to make a FILM - which is well-known in a different way. The AotC comes from the FILM. [Graham III] Coined in C20? Absolutely YES - the second half of the century.
In my own defense I Googled it before I asked. AOTC Attack of the Clones (Star Wars Episode Two) AOTC Australian Overseas Telecommunications Corporation AotC Ark of the Covenant (gaming) AOTC Ahead of the Curve AotC Aspect of the Cheetah (gaming, World of Warcraft) AOTC Associated Offices Technical Committee (UK) AOTC Ahead of Time Crew (band) AOTC Autodesk Official Training Courseware A.O.T.C. - Association of Orthopaedic Technologists California AOTC - Amarillo Obedience Training Club AotC Army of the Cumberland AOTC Atlantic OSHA Training Center AOTC Administrative Office of the Trial Court I also swept back in the game itself, though obviously not far enough.
At last dear CdM - the very Words on the Card *audience applauds, cheers and generally goes wild*
The SONG from the FILM and the STAGE production which is an adaptation of the BOOK. A well-known phrase all about FOOD which is very entertaining. Thanks for letting me off the hook. [INJ] shame on you :)
revelationary? I'm really not sure I understand the question. But I can say that it would be useful to learn what kind of abstraction this is. Also, some claim that this abstraction is something some claim to be very revelatory or revelationary or something.