mc5 - AVMA Take 2

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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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*drawing the line...*

Your answer to my last question

[Quendalon] How refreshing. Neither have I.

[Gra III, Quend] I once tried reading a page or two. Failed [as in - didn't enjoy]. Actually - IMO he's crap :-)

Gosh!

Well, well. I'll set something ANIMAL.

Human?

Bigger than a toaster?

Begins with a P?

Unique?

Alive?

Please please PLEASE let it begin with a P!

Human? [R] YES, though that may be a touch misleading.
Bigger than a toaster? [C] NO
Begins with a P? [K] NO. Gosh, that was an oversight
Unique? [Q] CERTAINLY NOT
Alive? [B] Ooh, tough question. After Quenders' question I'll phrase it as DEPENDS WHICH PARTICULAR ONE YOU MEAN ;) Oh, and psorry.

Is there more than one human [and are they midgets] ? :-)

A human organ?

This could be a quick one!

More than one human? [C] NO (for a particular case). They could be midgets ;)
A human organ? [R] NO, but *strong audience applause*

Organ donors?

Organ donors? [Q] NO *audience sigh and reseat*

The hairs on the head?

Lilliputians?

An embryo?

Egyptians?

Sperm?

*giggles while wondering if GIII missed the "smaller than a toaster" thing, or if there's something I never knew about Egyptians...or toasters, for that matter :-)*

The last five

All NOs. The audience, for what it's worth, looked least interested when Rosie & Graham III posited what they posited.

A component of the human body?

A type of cancerous growth?

In my defence, I misread the toaster question.

A bodily component? [Q] YES! *audience cheer and high-five*
Cancerous growth? [G3] NO

Is it in the interior of the body?

Interior? Strictly YES, though the name is generally used for an exterior area also.

A type of cell?

Cell? [Q] NO

The ear?

Though it's an organ.

Osseous in nature?

Ear? [R] NO. Right letter, wrong bit.
Osseous? [Q] That's a definite PARTLY, bearing in mind what I said to Raak.

By the way

I'm at a wedding tomorrow & unlikely to be by a PC on Sunday, so unless someone knocks this one out by very early tomorrow (UK time) I may have to do a revealio.

Above the neck?

Above the neck? [Q] NO (unless you bent so as to place it there, of course ;))

An elbow?

A muscle?

Knee?

READ THE ANSWERS GIII!

An eye?

Brainy?

Forget that, please,

might this be termed an epiphysis?

Elbow? [CdM] CORRECTO!
A bend of the arm passes on the baton.

Oops. I hadn't checked here in a while, and indeed had forgotten that I had an outstanding guess. Also, that was a lurker's victory, for which I apologise.

ABSTRACT with an ANIMAL connection and also ANIMAL/VEGETABLE/MINERAL connections.

Is the single animal connection human?

Is the single animal human? Yes. *sprinkling of applesauce, er, applause*

(that, by the way, is not an obscure hint; it's just what I almost typoed)

Is this a piece of art?

Begins with a P?

Outstanding in both meanings of the word =)

Is the other animal a particular species?

Is the aforementioned human a particular individual?

Piece of art? No.
P's at start? No.
Species part.? No.

Particular individual? No.

Connected with a particular geographical area?

A class of person e.g. musitian?

Is it fictional?

A character of myth or legend?

Is it unique?

Placed? No.
Classed? No.
Fictional? *some muttering in the audience* The words on the card do not denote something fictional as such, but there are definitely many fictional connections.
Myth or Legend? No, but again there are many connections to myth and legend.
Unique? No.

Does this involve a circle?

wondering where that question came from...

Circular involvement? No. I mean, I suppose it could, but not usually, and not in any way that would be helpful for finding the answer.

Is this connected with language?

Connected to language? I think the best answer is No. While there are some connections, there is neither a direct nor a necessary link to language.

Connected with religion?

Connected with religion? Sometimes, but by no means necessarily. (That is a more positive answer than my first instinct, but I am being influenced by a particular dictionary definition I am looking at right now.) The question does also prompt me to say that I should perhaps have said "...and also ANIMAL/VEGETABLE/MINERAL/ABSTRACT connections".

Thought?

A mental activity?

Is it "No Man's Land?"

Thought? No.
Mental Activity? I suppose, with a broad definition of mental activity, the answer is yes, but I'm not sure that is helpful.
No Man's Land? No.
Perhaps there is a bit more of a connection to language than I implied before, simply because this is most often made manifest through language (see "fictional connections").

Connected with politics?

A manifesto of some kind?

A ceremony or ritual?

Is it musical?

Poitical? No.
Manifesto? No.
Ceremony/ritual? No.
Musical? No.

Is this a form of entertainment?

Entertainment? No.

Pork Barrel Politics?

Pork Barrel Politics? Since it is not connected to politics, the answer is No.

An observable phenomenon?

Is it an office that someone holds?

Is this linked to ICT?

Is more than one human required?

I'm regretting this one big time...

Observable phenomenon? I don't think it is best described as a phenomenon and it is only observable with a very broad definition of the term.
Office? No.
Linked to ICT? No.
More than one human required? No specific human or humans are required.

Is it something which wouldn't exist without humans?

Any connection to eating and drinking?

One-word answer?

Any medical connections?

Something that wouldn't exist without humans? Yes, in two distinct ways. *applause, tinged with relief for the modicum of progress*
Connected to eating and drinking? No.
One word answer? Yes. *applause* Medical connections? No.

Is it, therefore, a human construct?

To do with relationships?

Human construct? It is most definitely a human construct. *audience laughter and applause*
To do with relationships? No.

Is there a connection with philosophy?

Connected with science?

Connected to philosophy? No.
Connected to science? No.
For most of these "connected to ...?" questions I can imagine some sort of connection. But the card talks about something relatively narrow and specific.

To do with travel?

To do with travel? No.

Does it begin with a letter in the first half of the alphabet?

Alphabetically privileged? Yes.

Discovered/invented within the past 100 years?

Within last century? No.

Is it a condition that affects some people but not others (eg baldness, unemployment...)?

Condition that affects some people but not others? No. It's not a condition. Some people might be more prone to it than others, I suppose, but it is more something that you do than that you suffer from.

Is this an invention?

Invention? No, at least not beyond the fact that it is a human construct.

Is it a sin?

Is it enjoyable?

not quite the same question as Kim's...

A sin? No.
Enjoyable? No, not particularly. Nor is it not enjoyable.

A mental process?

A mental process? Sort of. *cautious applause*. This AVMA isn't intentionally trying to be difficult or misleading. The questions are just hard to answer.

Logic?

Could you tell if someone was doing this by looking at them?

Is it some kind of physical movement?

Are the animal/vegetable/mineral connections concerned with the Earth as a whole?

Logic? No.
Can you tell by looking? No, in almost all cases. Mainly this is because it is almost always made manifest through language, as I said before.
Some kind of physical movement? No.
Connected to the Earth as a whole? No. It is not so much that there are A/V/M connections as a whole; rather each specific example of this will have an animal or vegetable or mineral or abstract connection.

Is this something that we do every day?

Is this an abstract noun?

... such as - Curiousity?

Does it involve stories?

Is it suscepitble to cause and effect?

Does the word on the card start with a vowel?

Something we do every day? Good question, and I actually not really sure of the answer. My first instinct was no. Most of us certainly do not do it consciously every day. On reflection, though, I suspect that it is something we often do without being aware of it, so the answer might well be yes.
Abstract noun? Yes. *applause*
Curiosity? No.
Does it involve stories? Very often, yes (though it might be more accurate to say that stories can involve it). *some applause*
Susceptible to cause and effect? I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I think that the only helpful answer is No.
Vowel at the head? Yes.

Sorry this is so tricky. I have scattered a few obscure clues in my answers of the last several days. If the next few questions take you no closer I'll try to think of a better clue.

An explanation?

Imagination?

An attitude of mind?

(e.g. cynicism)

Explanation, Imagination, Attitude? No.

A type of speech act?

Is it related to a lack of brevity/efficiency or the like?

Trying to read something into the last (and earlier) answers

Type of speech act? No (at least, not as I understand the term). Nevertheless, I think your answers are getting warmer, even if they still need several sweaters.
Soulless wit? No. That was just me being long-winded.

Adjective?

Is this an -ism?

Absent-mindedness?

Abstraction?

Is it a gerund?

anarcho-syndicalism? :)

Adjective? No. Nor is it one.
An -ism? Yes. *applause*
Absent-mindedness?
Abstraction? No, but *sustained applause and a little laughter*
An -ing? No (although there is a gerund that is very closely related to the word on the card, and my answers would probably be identical had I picked that word instead). (In fact, pedantically speaking, I think my answer to, say, your (Iroul's) previous question was probably more about the -ing than the -ism.)
AS? No.

Anthropomorphism?

Spoonerism?

Spoonerism? On, but...
Anthropormorphism? Yes! Chalky gets a highly relieved baton

post -traumatic stress

OK-a-a-aay. The baton enjoyed a few hours sleep but only after extensive counselling. Any temporary relief may be short-lived ....

V E G E T A B L E / A B S T R A C T with ANIMAL/MINERAL connections

Is the abstract vegetable metaphorical?

[Raak] Metaphorical? NO

Edible?

Is the abstract a state of the vegetable?

[CdM] A good subject, but I'm trying hard to see how we could have got to it more logically (of course we could have been luckier at times)

Are the animal connections human?

[INJ] No, I don't think it was a very good subject, actually. It seemed clever when I thought of it, but abstract nouns like that tend to be a bit too, well, abstract. I perhaps should have pointed you to think harder about my human construct ("in two distinct ways") answer. Otherwise you are right; my answers felt very vague to me, and it is hard to see how you could have found your way any better.

The grapes of wrath?

CdM] I thought it was a good one - I'd rather too difficult than too easy.

[CdM] Edible? NO
[INJ] Abstract a state of the vegetable? If you mean the condition of the vegetable - then only in the broadest possible sense.
[CdM] Human animal connections? YES
[Irouléguy] The grapes? NO

Is the vegetable growing/alive?

[INJ] Growing/Alive? YES ;)

Is it a geographical entity?

[Phil] Geographical entity? NO

Fictional?

One particular vegetable?

[Quendalon] Fictional? NO
[Rosie] One particular vegetable? Worded thus, your question can only receive a NO/YES/SORT OF reply. Sorry.

Is the vegetable wood?

[Irouléguy] Wood? NO

I can't believe it has gone this long without someone asking, so.....does it begin with 'P'?

[Bigsmith] Does it begin with a 'P'? ONE of the words on the card does!

Many plants all of the same type?

To try to resolve Rosie's question!

Is it "The Great Pumpkin"?

A quality or characteristic of a vegetable?

Is it connected to a particular human?

[INJ] Many plants all of the same type? In a manner of speaking - YES. *audience applauses*
[Kim] The Great Pumpkin? NO
[Quendalon] Quality or characteristic of a vegetable? I shall say YES with slight reservations because I wouldn't wish to lead you astray :-)
[Tuj] Any particular human? Most definitely NO - the human[animal]/mineral element merely supports the main definition, ie. these components make it happen.

A forest or wood?

Does the answer relate to a particular sense?

(As in smell, etc)

[Rosie] A forest or a wood? NO [but you're moving in the right direction re: the 'vegetable']
[INJ] Relate to a particular sense? *audience applauds an excellent question* Not a straightforward YES here - the answer has connections with sensory organs.

The scented garden?

[Software] Scented garden? NO

Tactile connections?

[Quend] Tactility? um ... NO - by saying that, I'm trying to be helpful :-)

Are the vegetables trees?

{Irouléguy] Are the vegetables trees? NO! You have already asked the wood question :)

An allotment?

[Rosie] An Allotment? NO

Are vegetebles mainly flowers?

[Rosie] Vegetables mainly flowers? They could be - in this particular instance [the Abstract element] they are not.

CLUE: 'Vegetable' can mean something other than a fruit, a plant, an ebible vegetable, a tree, a forest, a flower etc.

ebible? ebible?

Roots?

Chalky] What's wrong with an e-bible? God gave Moses the Ten Commandments on two Tablets, remember ;)

The Pollen Count?

[Irouléguy] Roots? NO - but much much closer because ..

ImNotJohn has tapped straight into my wavelength with a perfect answer!
*sneezes then hands over the baton*

Wipes the baton carefully

I nearly guessed that a couple of days earlier
So let's start again with ABSTRACT/MINERAL

A geological feature?

[CdM]geological feature? - NO

A work of art?

Fictional?

Is the mineral metal of some kind?

[GIII] But is it art? - NO
[Quen] Fictional? - Might be, might not be
[Bigsmith] Metal? - NO

Is it a mineral of myth or legend?

[Kim] Mithril or legendary? - NO

Unique?

Human construct?

A figure of speech?

[Quen] Unique - NO
[CdM] Human etc. - YESish
[Raak] Figure of Speech - YES (applause)

Is it a saying specific to a region or country?

[G111] Region/country specific? - NO

Language-specific?

Feet of clay?

Having a go from the halfway line.

[CdM] The answer is in a specific language ;-)
Could it be in another? - I don't know, and I don't think it would help if I did
[Rosie] Floating like a butterfly? - NO (tipping it over the bar with nonchalant ease)

Is the word "rock" on the card?

A ton of bricks?

Is the mineral iron?

This shouldn't take long

[Quen] Rocky? - NO
[Raak] ton of bricks? - NO
[Dujon] ironic? - NO

Grounds for complaint?

Isthe mineral water?

Is the language English?

(Raak) Is the mineral water what? I think it is, actually. We'll see.

[Software] - Grounds for complaint? - NO
[Raak] watery? - NO
[Rosie] In English? - YES (sorry, I wasn't trying to be clever)

Is the mineral silicon based?

[Glll] silicon-based? - YES is the most helpful answer (*applause*)

Burying one's head in the sand?

cyber space?

Nearly there

[Glll] - Ostriching? - NO (but plenty more applause)
[Software] Cyber space - NO (they fall silent again)

Is the word sand in the answer?

[Glll] 'sand' in answer - YES

The sands of time?

[Raak] egg-timer? - NO
Keep trying

Shifting sands?

Cassandra? Sandra Day O'Connor? Pinsand needles?

A line in the sand?

oh, I bet that's right...

And the next one please

And Rosie gets it! The answer is 'A line in the sand'.
*Baton passed carefully without stepping too far*

*Somewhat startled, reaches over silicaceous demarcation zone and grabs the precious icon.*.

This time, it's - A N I M A L

Is it human?

(G III) Human? - certainly is

alive?

British?

(INJ) Alive? - Could be.
(Raak) British? - Could be.

Is it, at any given moment , a single specific human being?

(e.g., 200 meters hurdles world record holder)

(CdM) Not a single specific person in the way you mean.

A class of being, i.e. police?

Fictional?

Since the "could be" I can't get "Hong Kong Phooey, number one superguy; Hong Kong Phooey, quicker than the human eye" out of my head. Thanks, Rosie. I wonder if that's what inspired Software (hello hello? Police Headquarters).

(Software) - YES, sort of.
(ISP) It makes me think of Monty Python's Nudge, Nudge sketch.

(ISP) Just realised I hadn't answered your question. NO, not fictional.

Both male and female?

Might this person oft times be referred to as 'religious'?

(CdM) No hermaphrodites. One sex only.
(Dujon) Not essentially a religious person.

The occupant of some office?

It is more than one person, right?

(Raak) If you mean the office as a room, then NO.
(CdM) slightly hesitantly, YES

The holder of some position?

That sort of office.

(Raak) Holder of some position? - YES, but not quite in the usual sense. *approving murmurs from the audience*

Male?

(Irg) Male? - Certainly is. *More approving murmurs*

The winner of some competition?

The son and heir?

(Raak) - Not a competition winner.
(Irg) No, that would be impossible. *some discreet sniggers amongst wittier members of the audience*

Eunuchs?

(Bigsmith) "....and Goebbels had no balls at all"? NO, though strictly there is no reason why the subject(s) may not be differently-orchidised.

A child?

(Graham III) - NO, not a child.
Clarification:- My reply to Irouléguy has a temporal significance.

Do you have to be a certain age to be this?

The holder of some kind of record?

(Irouléguy) - Age limits? - YES, in effect, though not in a formal sense.
(Tuj) Not a record-holder.

The oldest man in the world?

[INJ] I was going to ask that a day or so ago, but the animal's not necessarily alive. I asked my previous question to completely rule it out.

A group defined by having experienced/lived through a particular event?

[Tuj] Yes, you're right - it's ruled out for a few reasons (like, not a single specific person) - Scrub that and try this one.

(INJ) (Qu. 1) Not the oldest man in the world. Nothing to do with his age, actually.
(Qu. 2) NO, but an event is involved. *Sort-of approving noises from the audience*

Is the event in the future?

For example, the team to represent GBR in the men's 4x100m sprint relay at the Beijing Olympics.

(Bigsmith) A future event team? NO, the event is basically now but could be in the recent past.

Associated with one particular country?

(Tuj) NO, not associated with one particular country.

Begins with P?

Knew I'd forgotten something.

(Tuj) Perfectly preposterous proposition, pal - er, Not P.

Does the word 'veteran' appear on the card?

(Dujon) The word "veteran" - NO, no old soldiers.

Is the related 'event' to do with family?

Dead man's shoes?

Grasping at straws

(INJ) - Family? Very much so, Gary. *vigorous applause*
(Softers) - The straws got away. Not "Dead man's shoes"

The father of the bride?

[Rosie] Surely you meant 'Very much so, yes; Gary'

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