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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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Collective name? That's actually a little tricky to answer. I think the best answer is No. However, the five words on the card might be thought of as a collective name for these humans right now.
Are they related? No.
Is this a collection ... competition? YES! *sustained applause*

The participants on Big Brother?

Participants on Big Brother. *audience laughter* No.

The candidates for US President?

Mitt Hussein Rodham McCain? No.

Are the members of this group members because of their own choices/actions?

Members through choice or action? I suppose that some choices influenced their member ship of this group, but the best answer is definitely No.

Is there a definite date, already known, by which time only one will be left?

Definite known date by which time only one will be left? No.

Further to Raak's earlier question, is the point at which there will be only one member of the group remaining determined by the death of the other members of the group?

A tontine?

Is 'survivor' one of the words on the card?

Five words... The members of my [CdM's] family?

Point at which one left determined by death of others? Yes. *applause*
Tontine? No.
Is 'survivor" one of the words? No, but "surviving" is. *applause*
Kind Hearts and Coronets? No.

Speakers of a particular language?

People in line to inherit a throne/kingdom?

Oh - and continent: Europe?

Speakers of a particular language? No.
Kind Hearts and Coronets? No.
Continent = Europe? Yes, although my earlier agreement that they were "mostly to be found on one continent" was in fact slightly inaccurate. A better statement is that the majority are to be found in Europe.

Surviving Veterans of World War I?

Last surviving veteran of WWI?

... just to cover the other possibility :-)

We have a winner! "Surviving World War One Veterans" were the words on the card. Looking back, Chalky's first ("a human being?") question, which I couldn't resist answering as "not yet", led you all to run after a large number of untamed waterfowl. I was surprised to discover that there are still at least 15 (plus maybe another 8 depending on exactly how you count) living WWI vets.

One batonet handed carefully to Chalky.

* who not-so-carefully wallops CdM's backside with it*
... and if I'd have missed out the indefinite article in that question, who knows how you might have replied ;-)

Will post a new one at 0730 GMT

... late on parade

Next up - A B S T R A C T with Animal connections

Are the animal connections human?

[Graham III] Animal connections Human? Not yet ......

Only joking :-) YES

A specific human?

A mythical character?

A fictional character?

[Irouléguy] Specific human? NO
[Kim] Mythical character? NO
[Bigsmith} A fictional character? NO

To do with mathematics?

A human characteristic?

[Raak] To do with mathematics? NO - not really
[Rosers] A human characteristic? NO

Is the animal connection a reference to a human body part or parts?

Is this an activity undertaken by human beings?

[CdM] Referencing human body or body parts? Strictly speaking ... YES [see next reply]
[Graham III] Activity? YES! *applause*

Is it sporting?

[Graham III] Sporting? Some may find it sporting, some may not :-)

Sex?

[irach] Sex? Not sex per se - but some may find it sexy and some may not :-)

Is it a particularly energetic activity?

[Raak] Particularly energetic? NO. Good question.

Is it mostly carried out by one person at a time?

Some form of research?

[Graham III] Mostly by one person at a time? Not sure of the stats - if indeed there are any. Can be one, can be two, can be three, can be four, can be .... am I boring you?
[Dujon] Research? NO

Scrabble?

Is it yoga?

[Graham III] Scrabble? NO
[Kim] Yoga? NO ... but *audience cheers with considerable gusto*

Tai Chi?

Pilates?

Is it essentially play?

sorry for delay - had to do hospital visiting

Wow - an excellent deduction Raak and spot on. Tai Chi it is. I am a huge fan of this 'soft' martial art.

*hands over baton in slow motion stylee*

*grasps swallow's tail, waves hands like birds, repulses monkey, weaves with shuttles, and greets fair lady*

The next is MINERAL, with VEGETABLE connections.

Is it manmade?

Is it used in a culinary capacity?

Is it commonly referred to in the singular?

Is it edible?

[Raak] repulsing monkey is my favourite move :-)

Is it a tool?

Does it begin with P?

Crude oil?

Marmalade? No.
Not culinary.
You can have just one of these.
Not edible.
Tool? It performs a function.
Does not begin with P.
Not crude oil.

Are the vegetable connections wood?

Man-made?

.. assuming Marmalade reply wasn't meant in jest :-)

Wooden connections? Sort of.
Oops, just my eyes going funny. IS man-made.

vegetable = Paper?

Yes, paper. Speaking of which, this thing could fairly be said to have ABSTRACT connections as well.

Is it bigger than a toaster?

Anything to do with a creative activity?

Bigger than a toaster.
Has to do with a creative activity. *sounds of the audience approving*

Is the abstract connection writing?

[Q] Writing? Narrowly understood, no, broadly understood, yes.

is one of the words actually "paper"?

A keyboard?

[J] "Paper" does not appear on the card.
[R] Not a keyboartd.

Chinese scroll-painting?

[I] Not Chinese scroll-painting.

Anything to do with musical notation?

[G3] Nothing to do with musical notation. At least, not specifically.

Rubbings?

[Q] Not rubbings.

Ink?

[Rosie] Not ink. *the audience once more make approving sounds*

Related to holes?

Is there paint (or a coloring medium) involved with its typical use?

[Q] No holes.
[J] Yes, a colouring medium.

Is it unique?

The Blue Pencil?

[Tuj] Not unique.
[Rosie] Not the Blue Pencil.

Is it a paintbrush?

Is it one particular colo(u)r?

[nights] Not a paintbrush.
[CdM] Not a particular colour.
You're all thinking too small.

could you fit it through a door?

[J] You can't fit it through a door. Well, an ordinary door.

Would this be a man-made construction which in turn produces something?

The 'You can have just one of these' comment has me flummoxed though.

[Dujon] Yes, a man-made construction producing something. "One of these" -- well, you can have one, or more than one, so answering Juxtapose's question, it can be referred to in the singular or the plural.

a kiln?

Not a kiln.

A photocopier?

That's probably a bum shot.

Not a photocopier (but the audience have started to look cheerful again).

A printing press?

Bingo! A Printing Press.

Yay! An answer that was a good combination of sufficiently uncommon, yet not randomly obtuse giving me a chance there. For the next one we have:
MINERAL AND VEGETABLE (normally).

Edible?

[Raak] Yummy? NO.

A geographical feature?

Man-made?

Is it unique?

[INJ] Geographical? NO [Rosie] Man-made? YES *light applause from the audience* [Quendalon] Unique? NO

Metal and wood?

Mood/Wetal? YES, these are both normally involved.

is it found on/near streets?

Would this normally (or, at least often) be associated with visual art?

Would this normally (or, at least often) be associated with music?

Is it a tool?

Is it a building?

[Juxtapose] Street dweller? NO
[Dujon] Art? Normally, NO
[Quendalon] Music? NO, not that I've ever heard of.
[Raak] Tool? NO, not within the definition of Chambers.
[Tuj] Building? NO

Does the metal part consist of fastenings holding the wooden parts together?

[Raak] Fasteners? NOT EXCLUSIVELY

In between the size of a toaster and a phone box?

Toast-box? YES!

Is it a piece of furniture?

[Raak] Furniture? NO in the conventional sense.

A box or container of some kind?

Commonly found in one's home?

[Rosie] Box? NO
[Quendalon] Homebased? YES *applause*.

Does it have any moving parts?

Sorry, I forgot that I was the last one to post. How gauche of me! Please forgive the solecism.

Does it have any moving parts?

Problem solved.

Is it normally found in the same location (e.g. usually in the kitchen)

[Q/J] Moving parts? YES
[INJ] One place? NOT USUALLY (as far as I know about people's homes...)

Would this normally (or, at least often) . . . curse you, Quendalon. ;-)

Does this have hinges?

Commonly found not in one's home?

Would most owners normally own just one of these?

A door?

*suspects Raak has nailed it*

More wood than metal?

(Irg) All my doors have screws. :-)

[Irouléguy] I doubt it's a door, as we've been told it's not found on or near streets.
[Dujon] You're too kind. :)

Grandfather clock?

[Dujon] Hinged? NOT IN THE CONVENTIONAL SENSE
[CdM] Out of house and home? YES, though you may not come across it usually.
[Iguy] Just one? YES
[Raak] Door? NO
[Rosie] Woody? DEPENDS ON YOUR MEASURE AND THE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. Mine has more wood by volume if that's any help.
[Quendalon] Clock? NOPE.

Is it collapsible?

[Juxtapose] Collapsible? YES *audience excited now*

[GIII] Delectable italicise text, that *approves*=)

A folding ladder / stepladder?

Is the unconventional hinge similar to, say, a piano accordian or bellows?

A Workmate?

[Tuj] Why thank you :-)
[Quendalon] Ladder? NOPE
[Dujon] according? NO
[Raak] Workmate? NO.

A piano?

A panelled screen?

Associated with play?

A deck chair?

Ironing board?

[Rosie 1] NO
[Chalky] NO
[Quendalon] Only if you're very weird
[Rosie 2] NO
[Juxtapose] YES! The very words on the card! *audience goes wild and jumps up and down*. Here, have the baton:

Aa! It's my first time, so be gentle.
Alright, here we go with ABSTRACT, involving multiple ANIMALish themes.

Multiple animals meaning many different species?

[Irouléguy] Many different species? NO.

Is this a 'saying' which references animals?

A characteristic of animals?

[Chalky] a saying? NO, but quite a clever guess.
[Rosie] A characteristic? A case for both sides here, but saying NO will be less misleading.

Are the animals referred to in the plural?

Are the animals human?

[Rosie] plural? Situationally dependent.
[ImNotJohn] human? YES, there is at least one human involved.

is this a tale or a fable or a story-type thingy?

Is this a form of 'art'?

I'm confused by some of the answers here. We have multiple animals, at least one human, but not many different species. So, in the interest of clarifying this:
Do the animalish themes ever involve a non-human animal?

[Chalky] fairy-tale? NO.
[Dujon] Art? NO.
[CdM] Non-human? YES.
Sorry for the confusion. There are human(s) and non-humans involved, but not "many".

Is this the name of a place?

'Old MacDonald had a farm'?

One man and his dog?

Is this fictional?

[J] Nonono, no need for apology; I was just clarifying.

What! 14 hours and NO replies? *grumblegrumblegrumble*

[Chalky]Place name? NO.
[Irouléguy] Old Mac? NO.
[Graham III] Man + dog? NO.
[CdM] Fictional? NO.
[Chalky] 14 hours and no replies? YES.

Connected to entertainment of some kind?

[CdM] Connected to entertainment? NO.

Is there more than one non-human species involved?

Is this the name of a group or society?

A true life story?

Is it connected to farming or animal husbandry generally?

Begins with a P?

What! 16 hours and NO replies?

[Irouléguy] More than one non-human species involved? KIND OF.
[Chalky] Group or society? NO.
[Chalky] A true life story? OFTEN.
[Kim] Farming or animal husbandry? NO. A case might me made for YES by someone trying to throw you off track.
[Tuj] One of the words begins with a P.

Do these true-life stories occur all over the world, or are they geographically specific?

Medical connections? [illness, disease - that type of thing]

Are the animals specifically pets or similar companion animals?

Connected with birth?

Are these animals alive?

What! 17 hou- oh, never mind.

*chuckles*

Is this an emotion?

Is this a BAD thing?

Is this a human construct?

[CdM] All over the world? YES. *audience members start nudging eachother awake*
[Chalky] Medical connections? YES! *excited noises*
[ImNotJohn] pets? NO.
[Quendalon] Connected with birth? NO.
[Chalky] Alive? YES.
[Chalky] emotion? NO.
[Chalky] Bad? Some might say no. I say YES.
[Chalky] Human construct? NO. Now let somebody else ask some.

Animal testing? (of cosmetics, or pharmaceuticals, or, I dunno, airbags or something)

[CdM] Animal testing? NO.

What! 12 hours and no question from Chalky?

Are the non-human animals fish?

Connected with agriculture / animal husbandry?

An anthropomorphization?

[Irouléguy] fish? NO.
[ImNotJohn] agri-husbandry? NO. (see Kim's question above)
[Quendalon] Antrhopomorphization? NO.

Fictional or fiction-related?

[Tuj] Fictitious? NO.

Summary time, and the living is easy
Fish are jumping...

We have an ABSTRACT involving multiple ANIMALish themes.

It is not: a saying (though the guess was described as 'clever'), fictional, art, a place-name, Old MacDonald had a farm, One man and his dog, connected to entertainment, a group or society, geographically specific (this question got applause), pets, connected with birth, an emotion, a human construct, animal testing, connected with agriculture or animal husbandry, an anthropomorphisation, or fictional. And the non-human animals are not fish, but they are alive. They belong to more than one species, but not to 'many' species.

It is: involving at least one human, something that happens all over the world, and with medical connections.

It might be: a true life story, and a bad thing. There may be more than one non-human animal involved (situationally dependent).

The answer includes: a word beginning with 'P'.

Are the non-human animals mostly one species?

Is it a title of something (book/film/etc)?

[Irouléguy] mostly one species? YES.
[Tuj] Title of media? NO.

[Re: Recap] "situationally dependent" was the answer to the following question: "Are the animals referred to in the plural?" The question "More than one non-human species involved?" had the answer "KIND OF", which I stand by.

Does it involve words?

Is it unique?

Is the non-human species visible to the naked eye?

Is it animal testing?

Kim - Is it animal testing? I refer the Honourable Gentleman to the summary above.

[Quendalon] "Does it involve words?" I'm not really sure how to give a yes or no answer to that which would be helpful. It is not word/language-based.
[Tuj] Is it unique? NO.
[Irouléguy] Is the non-human species visible to the naked eye? NO!

A bacterium/virus/etc responsible for a particular disease/medical condition?

[Irouléguy] A bacterium/virus/etc responsible for a particular disease/medical condition? YES.

Is the answer the disease/medical condition?

Feeling greedy - is the animal specifically a virus (as opposed to a bacterium or other thingy)?

[Irouléguy] Is the answer the disease/medical condition? YES.
[Irouléguy] is the animal specifically a virus? YES. *audience begins to gather coats and hats*

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis?

Poliomylitis?

The common cold?

Does the disease affect one part of the body specifically?

Just for the sake of satisfying my own pedantry, I feel duty-bound to point out that generally viruses are not considered by most scientists as animals, for example because they are not living things, cannot self-replicate, and don't have a membrane separating themselves from the outside world. But that's probably a debate for another time. And yes I know that Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis is (a) not a virus, and (b) only theoretical, but it's an amusing word.

[Graham III] Pneumonoultrafragilisticexpialidocious? NO.
[Somebody Else] Poliomylitis? NO.
[Quendalon] The common cold? NO.
[Graham III] Does the disease affect one part of the body specifically? Hmm. As in 'athelete's foot'? NO.
[Pedantry] I know there is some debate, but I did say "animal-ish" not simply "animal", and secondly if I had answered yes or no based on viruses being animals I think it would have been more misleading. I like to consider myself not an evil man.

Bird flu?

Is the disease commonly fatal?

Influenza? The common, non-avian kind?

[Quendalon] Bird flu? NO.
[Irouléguy] Commonly fatal? NO.
[irach] Influenza? NO.

Sexual contact as primary vector of infection?

Is the disease usually known by a colloquial name rather than a formal one?

[Quendalon] STD? NO.
[Irouléguy] A colloquial name? YES. *applause*

Black Death Bubonic Plague?

or any of the Bubonic Plagues?

The dreaded lurgy?

Chicken pox?

[Somebody Else] Assorted plagues bubonic? NO!
[Raak] The dreaded lurgy? NO!
[Quendalon] Chicken pox? SPOT ON! *audience goes wild* Thus the 'multiple animal-ish themes'. Please accept this sterilized and sanitized baton. Well done.

Thank you! It's been a while since I've held the baton. So, let's try:

MINERAL, with ANIMAL connections.

"Tigereye" gemstone?

Man-made?

[irach] Tiger's eye? NO.
[Rosie] Man-made? YES.

Are the animal connections human?

A mousetrap?

A mantrap?

[Rosie] No vegetable as in wood?

[Raak] Animal = human? NO.
[Rosie] Mousetrap? NO.
[Tuj] Mantrap? NO.

Birdcage? La Cages aux Folles?

Is the mineral/one of the minerals glass?

Is it a model of an animal?

Is it a fossil?

[irach] Cage (aux Folles or otherwise)? NO.
[Juxtapose] Is glass involved? OFTEN, after a fashion.
[Raak] Is it a model of an animal? Strictly speaking, NO. *interested murmurs from the audience*
[Kinrah] Fossil? NO.

A representation of an animal or animals?

[Raak] Representation of an animal(s)? NO.

A medical device?

Are the animal connections just one species?

Is it a glass etching of an animal?

Would this be an article manufactured for use on/with/for an animal (e.g. dog collar, cow bell, harness)?

[Rosie] Medical device? NO.
[Irouléguy] Just one species? Tricky, but I think the fairest answer would be NO.
[Kinrah] Glass etching? NO.
[Dujon] For use on/with/for an animal? NO.

Made of metal?

Does a typical Morniverser own one?

[Raak] Is metal involved? YES.
[Rosie] Property of a typical Morningverser? NO. *sardonic laughter from the audience*

Anything to do with farming?

[Rosie] Connected with farming? NO. (One could make a case for YES, but that would undoubtedly be misleading.)

Is the animal part a product of an animal, such as fur or skin?

[Chalky] Contains actual animal parts? NO.

To clarify, there are no organic animal components to speak of; if there were, it would have been MINERAL / ANIMAL. And in the interests of full disclosure, there are occasionally VEGETABLE elements, though pursuing that line of questioning is unlikely to be productive.

A building?

[CdM] A building? NO.

A shotgun?

Y'know, one o' vem Japnese mo'ors.

[Rosie] Shotgun? NO, neither single- or double-barreled.

a geographical feature?

[Chalky] Geography? NO.

On further consideration, [Chalky]'s previous question was incorrectly answered due to an overly narrow reading of it. So, to revisit:

[Chalky] Is the animal connection to a product of an animal? YES.

Leather?

Is it a container?

[Chalky] Leather? NO.
[Raak] Container? YES, although this may be misleading.

A milk bottle?

Would one usually find this in a home?

[Graham III] Milk bottle? NO.
[Chalky] Usually found in a home? NO.

Does this restrict hte movement on animals in any way?

"Of", not "on".

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