mc5 - AVMA Take 2

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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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Fictional? NO, the words on the card are not fictional. However, in another sense the answer is YES AND NO.

When you talk about "another sense", is it the same "other sense" for each question?

Is the animal connection one particular species?

Is the answer a well-known or 'set' phrase?

Is it connected with a sport or game?

Is it a filament of our imagination?

figment obviously. Pardon me.

Is another sense always the same sense? YES.
One particular species? NO.
Is the answer a well-known phrase? NO.
Is the answer a 'set' phrase? YES. *laughter*
Connected with a sport or game? NO. (But in another sense YES AND NO.)
A figment of our imagination? I think the best answer is NO.

Sorry about the absence. I was hellishly busy for the last two days. Normal service should be resumed shortly.

Connected with mathematics?

Connected with mathematics? Fundamentally I would say NO, although you are (I think) drawing the right conclusion from the earlier laughter. In another sense, of course, the answer is YES AND NO.

Is this a form of reproduction?

A form of communication?

Reproduction? NO. (or YES and NO)
Communication? NO. (or YES and NO)

Six of one and half a dozen of the other?

6 and 6? NO. (and in another sense, NO.)

Is it anything to do with sorting?

To do with sorting? To be honest, I am not exactly sure what you mean. It is not to do with sorting in the sense of, say, computer code, but it is to do with sorting in some sense, I suppose. Of course, in another sense the answer is YES AND NO.

Is the answer self-referential?

Schroedinger's cat?

Does the word "everything" appear on the card?

Is it a matter of opinion?

Self-referential? NO. *applause*
Superpussition? NO.
'Everything' on the card. *applause* As I have worded the card, NO. But it would be badly misleading to give that answer, so I will tell you that the phrase "all things" does appear on the card.
Matter of opinion. 100% of those polled say NO.

The phrase "Man is the measure of all things"?

No, it's not a well-known phrase, and it's not a matter of opinion...

How about Are there more than four words on the card?

More than four words? YES.

All things come to those who wait?

Patience is its own reward? NO. (Not a well-known phrase, remember)

(Incidentally, I'm rather surprised to find that 'superpussition' only has two googlehits. It's more original than I thought.)

Looking back, I saw that I answered "connected with a sport or a game?" as NO (as well as YES AND NO). While that is still probably the least misleading answer, it occurs to me that the answer does have some connection to a game.

The end of all things?

All things fall into one or more of the categories: Abstract, Animal, Vegetable or Mineral

End of all things? NO.
Everything AVMA? NO. *a tiny smattering of applause*

This game, of all things?

This game? NO.

The universe?

What's left after you take away life and everything? NO.

More than six words on the card?

Is it All Things That Fall Into This Category as per the famous Chinese Encyclopaedia?

Mm. Or "Those That Fall Into the Present Classification". Altho, perhaps unsurprisingly, Borges may have made it up.

More than six words? YES.
All things that fall into this category? NO. Not self-referential, remember. But you are on the right track and so, to speed things along, I will tell you that the first six words on the card are "The set of all things that".

The set of all things that have not been played in this game?

Are you still sane?

The set of all things that can be classified?

The set of all things that may be classified under the headings Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract?

Except that would be self-referential again.

The set of all things that do not exist?

[Raak] I suspect you had it with your previous question.

Tsoatt !played? NO.
Am I still sane? ARTICHOKE.
Tsoatt can be classified? NO. (see self-referential=NO)
Tsoatt can be classified as AVMA? NO. (see this comment)
Tsoatt aren't? NO.

Perhaps it's time to start asking some questions again?

Is this set finite? i.e. could you, at least in theory, count the items in it?

Are there any chihuahuas in this set?

Finite? I know enough mathematics to know I need to be careful around infinities, but I am pretty confident that this set is neither finite nor countably infinite.
Chihuahuas? *applause for the question* There almost certainly are chihuahuas in this set. However, a much more helpful observation is that a chihuahua is not in this set.

<fastshow>What are the schools like in your area?</fastshow>

Do all the chihuahuas in the set exist, or have they existed?

Chihuahuas in the set (Shurely "badgers in the sett")

Is this chihuahuas nonsense related to the famous Beyond the Fringe monologue:
... I opened the door accordingly and went in, and there was Moore seated by the fire with a basket upon his knees. ‘Moore’, I said, ‘do you have any apples in that basket?’ ‘No’, he replied, and smiled seraphically, as was his wont. I decided to try a different logical tack. ‘Moore’, I said, ‘do you then have some apples in that basket?’ ‘No’, he replied, leaving me in a logical cleft stick from which I had but one way out. ‘Moore’, I said, ‘do you then have apples in that basket?’ ‘Yes’, he replied. And from that day forth, we remained the very closest of friends.

All things that on earth do dwell?

*thinks he needs to google fastshow*
Have all chihuahuas in set existed? NO.
Badgers? For free, I will tell you that a badger is also not in the set or the sett.
All earth-dwellers? NO.

Is it connected with color?

Why avoid the obvious?

Tsoat plural?

Connected to color? I can think of several connections to color. However, color is not in this set.
Tsoatt are plural? NO. However, plurals are in this set.

TSOATT - is the next word 'can'?

Can? NO. Also, cans are not in this set.

Do the contents of the set change over time?

Are any non-plurals in this set?

I'm having fun here

Contents change over time? I suppose they do, yes, but I don't think that is very helpful. The contents of the set are not in the set, by the way.
Any non-plurals in the set? YES. Non-plurals are not in the set, though.

The set of all things beginning with P?

The set of all things that have not been mentioned in this game

We have a winner!

The set of all things that begin with P is indeed the answer. Raak is now in possession of a passed baton

This reminded of me of the time I chose 'Human Construct' as an AVMA subject -- then, as now, everyone oddly failed to ask the standard question, making the quest much more difficult than I expected.

The next one is MINERAL.

Metal?

[CdM] Doooh! Brilliant.

Ceramic?

stone?

Man-made?

[Projoy] Not metal.
[Phil] Not ceramic.
[INJ] Not stone.
[Rosie] Can be man made.

A substance?

[Phil] Not a substance. (Substance is involved, but the answer is not some substance.)

Plastic?

[Projoy] Not plastic.

Glass?

reflective?

[Néa] Not glass.
[Projoy] Yes, reflective.

liquid?

[INJ] *applause* Liquid.

Mercury?

Set of all things beginning with P

The problem with 'does it begin with a P' is that it is really Lib's question and she hasn't been around for a while, so sometimes we forget to ask it...
Meanwhile, in this game ... wonders how Mercury is not 'metal' and also how it 'can be man-made', then wonders about the varying definitions of 'man-made' and gives up.

Does it begin with a P

[Projoy] Not mercury (not a metal, remember?)
[ISP] These things can be created deliberately, and (more usually) they can arise by themselves.
[ISP] Does not begin with a P.

Is a water surface involved?

[Rosie] *cheering* A water surface is involved.

Oil on the water?

Smoke on the water? On the Waterfront? Watership Down? The Water Margin?

[ISP] None of the above.

A flood?

Mrs INJ's old school is closed because there are several hundred people sleeping in it at the moment, waiting for the water to go down enough to go home.

moving water?

[ISP] The "P" question is Tuj's, shurely?

[Projoy] Might or might not be moving, since...
INJ has it: a flood. One slowly turning Poohstick handed on.

Well, that was quick

Having wadwd out to collect the baton, may I propose:
Vegetable

Barry Took? (oblig.)

[Projoy] Yes, but see above.

A Pea?

[IS,P] The P question has been asked more often than not in recent rounds.

[IS,P] Barrington Took? - NO
[CdM] - Petit, marrowfat, snow, etc. - NO (though it did cross my mind)

Is it teh edible?

Is size important?

[Pj] re: Tuj/Lib - oops, yes, I meant Tuj. Tuj hasn't been around much either.

[PJ] comestible - YES
[IS,P] the big question - NO is probably the best answer, but I'm not sure what you're asking

Normally eaten raw?

A fictional vegetable?

Can it be grown in Britain?

[Irg] - Normally eaten raw? - NO
[IS,P]Pomegrapeberry - NO
[Rosie] Can be grown in Britain? - YES

A particular dish/recipe?

[Irg] particular dish - NO (but worth asking)

Im away from my desk until Thursday, so connectivity may have to depend on finding a friendly wifi.

Is it widely cultivated in Britain?

Does it grow on trees, you know?

[CdM] widely cultivated in Britain - Not very
[Projoy] Like spaghetti? - NO
I could have answered several questions as 'Not Applicable'

Is it typically eaten?

Grows on a bush?

[CdM] eaten - YES
[Pj] bushy - NO

Is this a group of vegetables?

Grows in the dark, dark soil?

[Chalky] group of veggies - No
[Pj] Grows in the dark? - NO
needs dark soil - NO
grows underground - NO
Have I covered every meaning of the question? As ever, the watchword is check your assumptions.

Checking assumptions:

An edible vegetable, typically eaten cooked, doesn't grow on a tree or bush or underground, cultivated (though not widely in Britain), not a group of veg.
So we are looking at vegetable as in "a plant, root, seed, or pod that is used as food"? how about 'rice'.

Nope

[IS,P] rice - NO
Several mistaken assumptions there. The main one is that it is 'a' vegetable.
I may have been unhelpful in trying to be too helpful. So, the answer on the card is not cultivated as such. Try to sort that out and you'll be closer.

Is it leafy?

is it a class of vegetables (eg, brassicas)?

[Rosie] leafy? - NO
[K(l)] a class of vegetables - NO (although Mrs INJ is far more familiar with classes of vegetables than I am, since she is a teacher.)

clarification

Had I been pedantic, instead of trying to be helpful, I could have answered NO to the questions 'Can it be grown in Britain? and 'Is it widely cultivated in Britain?'

Does it contain mind-altering substances?

[Rosie] Does it contain mind-altering substances? - Not usually, though it's not unknown for it to do so. (some laughter and applause)

Is this something that you put something else inside?

[Raak] something that you put something else inside? - NO

Can contain alcohol?

[Projoy] can contain alcohol? - depending on your definition of 'contain' (also true for Rosie's question), but YES, it can, although it normally doesn't

Is chocolate involved?

[Raak] chocolatey? - NO

A trifle, or similar?

A mere bagatelle.

Has it been processed?

[Rosie] trifling - NO
[Phil] Processed - YES (some applause)

Does it taste sweet?

[Projoy] sweet? - YES (loud applause)

Is this something you put into something else?

Sugar

?

Licorice?

... Pontefract Cakes?

Nearly there

[Raak] something you put into something else? - YES
[Chalky] Sugar? - YES - The word 'sugar' is on the card but that is not the full answer (sorry if you couldn't hear that above the applause)
[IS,P] - NO & NO (obviously)

A sugar cube?

Caster Sugar?

Scrub that... how about icing sugar, apropos MCiOS chat game as of now?

Alan Sugar?

A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down?

[Raak] - YES, it is A Sugar Cube. One baton with the name 'Raak' down the middle handed on.

The next object is MINERAL, with ANIMAL connections. (A ripple of laughter goes through the audience at the answer is revealed on the laser display board.)

A milking machine?

[Projoy] Not a milking machine.

Some sort of fossil?

[Projoy] I'm still giggling.

A secretion?

[Dujon] Not a fossil.
[Rosie] Not a secretion.

Red Bull?

[CdM] Not Red Bull.

Manufactured?

A fake dog poo?

[CdM] Made, yes, but you wouldn't say it was manufactured.
[Phil] Ick? No.

An example of a craft?

Is it potable or edible?

[Projoy] Not a craft (in any sense of the word).
[Rosie] You can't eat it or drink it.

Is it shaped like an animal?

[Phil] Not shaped like an animal. *the audience start falling asleep*

Is the mineral metal?

[Phil] Some of the mineral is quite likely metal. *the audience snore gently*

Bigger than a toaster

*nudges audience*

If the mineral is only "quite likely" metal would it be true to say that the composition of parts of this object is mostly unknown?

[Phil] Bigger than a toaster. *the audence open one eye and close it again*
[Rosie] Not unknown to the people who made it.

Has it a function?

Is there one in the Raak household

Is it used outdoors?

[Projoy] It has a function.
[Phil] I don't have one.
[Rosie] YES and NO would both be both accurate and misleading.

Does it have *one* function?

[Projoy] One function? It depends on how you subdivide things. One more or less broad class of functions, yes.

Have these/has this been around for more than a couple of centuries?

{Projoy] 200 years old? No.

A building?

Is this 'thing' fictional'?

Is it a single unique thing?

Have these/has this been around less than a hundred years?

[ISP] *the audience awakens from its dogmatic slumber and cheers* Yes, a building.
[Dujon] Non-fictional.
[CdM] Yes, a unique thing.
[Projoy] In one sense, definitely not, in another, I expect not. (Ditto for 200 years.)

A place of worship?

[Phil] Not a place of worship.

In Britain?

Does anyone live in it?

[CdM] Not in Britain.
[Projoy] Quite possibly, but it's not usual.

In Europe?

A place of worship? Sacrifice? Macchu Picchu?

[Projoy] Yes, in Europe.
[ISP] I refer you to my last answer to Phil.

The Ice Hotel?

[INJ] *Applause* Not the Ice Hotel.

Is its nature dependent on the climate of where it is?

[Projoy] Not dependent on climate.

The European Parliament Building?

In Western Europe?

The Louvre Pyramid?

[Phil] Not the EU Parliament.
[Projoy] In Western Europe.
[Dujon] Not the Louvre Pyramid.

In Germany?

Does the building have a political purpose / significance?

[Projoy] Not in Germany.
[UK] No political purpose.

In France?

[Projoy] Yes, in France.

So, it's between 100 and 200 years old, yes?

(since you ruled out >200 and <100)

Old age

[Projoy] How do you work that out? You asked:
more than a couple of centuries? ANSWER NO
less than a hundred years? ANSWER In one sense, definitely NOT, in another, I expect NOT. (ditto for 200)

I make that = non-existent, despite its non-fictional nature.

Is the animal connection human?

Sports connections?

Sorry, I misread the 100 years question. This thing is, in one sense definitely less than 100 years old, and in another sense I don't know. Or to be more explicit, as it's been established to be a building, its present use is less than 100 years old, but I don't know when it was constructed.

[Phil] Yes, the animal connection is human.
[ISP] No connection with sports.

Ever used for a military purpose?

[Projoy] Military? Not that I know of.

Is it in Paris?

Is it a cave? note to self: Is a cave a building as such...

"Discovered" less than 100 years ago? A settlement of some kind? Archeological ruins?

[Projoy] *cheering* It is in Paris.
[ISP] Not a cave.
[ISP] Not discovered.

Having found a picture of it, I can say that the building itself is definitely less than 100 years old.

A government building?

Bibliothéque nationale de France?

+ è - é

[Projoy] Not a government building, nor the Bibliotheque.

A hint: the animal connection is not merely that it is a building that people use.

Named after somebody?

(I thought about guessing Centre Pompidou, but I would doubt that Raak would ever have thought that might have been old.)

[CdM] Er...sort of named after someone.

Marche aux Puces?

[Chalky] Not the flea market.

A museum?

A station on the Paris Metro?

Aeroport Charles de Gaulle?

[CdM] Not a museum.
[ISP] Not a station.
[ISP] Not an airport. (Close attention to the audience's reactions may suggest a less random direction to explore.)

A park or public open space?

[Raak] Re: reactions - I get that to be cheers at Builiding in Paris, and applause at the Ice Hotel.

[ISP] Not a park or open space.
(The audience murmurs approvingly at ISP's perspicacious summary.)

A hotel or guest house?

Somewhere at EuroDisney (although that's not paris per se)

[ISP] Yes, a hotel.
[ISP] Not at EuroDisney.

Hotel George V?

No, is it The Paris Hilton?

The Ritz - named after the famous cracker.

simmed by Projoy - serves me right for lurking.

[Irg] Still in with a chance - there are five Paris Hiltons not counting the slapper.

I think we can hand the baton to Projoy now; there is no need to wait for Raak.

(In other words, the George V is clearly the right answer.)

[ISP] There are indeed five Hilton hotels in Paris, but only one is...
[Projoy] ...The Paris Hilton Hotel. One nth-generation videotape passed under the counter to Projoy.

An apostrophe?

[CdM] Curses! So predictable! It is, indeed, an apostrophe. *hands over curly baton to Cd'M*

Rapture?

Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent?

I'm assuming that Projoy is going to come back and set a real one.

Ah, then I've managed to be unpredictable for once, since I'm not. Must repeat this. Over to you. :)

Very well.
ABSTRACT with ANIMAL connections (and to a lesser extent mineral and vegetable connections also)

Rapture? No.
Witt and wisdom? No.

Is the animal human?

Human? Yes, the animal connections are human.

It is an activity?

It is/Is it

Is it a contrivance of homo sapiens?

An activity? No, although I suppose you could say it is connected to an activity.
Done by folks? Yes.

Connected to a sport or game?

A childhood thing?

Connected to sport or game? No. I don't think the "activity" route will help.
Childhood thing? No.

Fictional?

Describes a relationship?

Is it a good thing?

Is money involved?

Fictional? No.
Describes a relationship? No (if I understand the question correctly)
A Good Thing? That is a matter of opinion, but I think most people would be more inclined to answer yes rather than no.
Money involved? Yes is I think the best answer. *a little applause*

Is it an occupation?

An occupation? No. *a little applause*

Connected with art?

Connected with art? No (except tangentially).

Connected with social activity?

Connected with social activity? Hmmm. I'm really not sure how to answer that -- it depends what you mean by 'social activity'. I will say that the animal connection involves a number of humans, all of whom are broadly engaged in some kind of activity.

...some kind of common activity...

Watching the Eurovision Song Contest?

Has this happened throughout human history (AFAYK)?

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