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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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Was this thing invented by mankind?

[Phil] Funny, that's just the question I was going to ask in my post-before-last.

[Phil] Is it a process? UMMMM, NO (a process is involved, however)
[Tuj] Invented by mankind? YES (i.e. a human construct)

In the last 500 years?

[Tuj] Invented in the last 500 years? NO.

[Projoy] I think we have already had this discussion.

The last thousand?

This is a struggle, but a very interesting one.

One last thing before I give up, as this thing is an abstract human construction is it a thought process or something like that goes on in someone's head.

Proof?

Hello everyone. I've been away far too long.

[Tuj] Invented in the last thousand years. YES. Some accounts say that this was around a long time before its "official" invention date in the last thousand years, but I'll go with the account that gives a specific date.
[Inkspot] Thought process? NOT EXCLUSIVELY, this thing (rather than process) is abstract (i.e. non-tangible), but it is also translated into tangible form and because of that it has a definite effect on people's behaviour in the real world.
[flerdle] Proof? NO, although proof (in the informal sense) is often involved.

Printing?

[Raak] Printing? NO (not that informal sense of proof!)

propaganda?

A pendulum?

[flerdle] Propaganda, NO
[Raak] Pendulum, NO

(and if the diversity of those last few guesses isn't a hint that we still need more broad deductive questions, I don't know what is!)

To the question by Tuj "Linked with a particular culture or country?" you replied "NOT ANY MORE". Does that mean that it began in one country but it is now world wide.

ps if yes, a great clue would be the coutry of origin.

Is it associated with a particular way of life?

OK, let's be a bit helpful here...

[Inkspot] OK, for nothing I shall reveal that this thing first appeared (according to the account I am following) in Venice first (when Venice was a country).
[Phil] Associated with a particular way of life? NOT REALLY (unless you mean particular professions?)

Pasta?

[Raak] Wikipedia says that pasta originated in many places independently, the earliest records being from China, so NO.

Patents?

[flerdle] PATENT, YES! *astonished but grateful applause from the audience*.

Well, it couldn't be double-entry book-keeping

Gosh.

OK, short and simple: VEGETABLE

Is it really a fungus? :)

*giggles*

[Projoy] Fungus? NO

Is it green?

Is it edible?

Is it wood?

Is it a whole plant? (Not having played here for months)

[Projoy] Green? Can be
[Chalky] Edible? YES
[Raak] Wood? NO
[Darren] a whole plant? NO

Is it a pepper?

Or an apple?

Or tea?

[Darren] a pepper? strictly NO, but may be involved.
[Projoy] an apple? strictly NO, but may be involved.
[Irouléguy] tea? NO.

A particular dish?

Pizza?

[Projoy] a particluar dish? YES and NO, but probably more helpful if you take that as "YES".
[Raak] Pizza? yes please!! oh. NO.

The recommended five portions a day?

[Projoy] It's seven portions here... but either way, NO

Salad?

Is it associated with a particular country?

Is it eaten hot?

[Projoy] Salad? NO
[Inkspot] Associated with a particular country? YES! *audience cheers*
[Raak] Eaten hot? NO

A European Country?

Is any sort of grain product involved?

Beguns with a P?

[Projoy] a European country? NO. Well, not at first.
[Raak] involving grainproduct? NO
[pTuj] starts wuth a P? No. Sorry.

Is the country India?

Ottoman Empire or some other way of saying "Turkish" that wasn't, at first, European?

Tofu kebab?

[Darren] India? YES! *more cheers*
[Projoy] Turkish etc? NO
[Raak] Tofu kebab? NO

NB need sleep, sorry for the upcoming delay, do guess on...

Ayurvedic cuisine?

Some sort of curry?

Does one find it in Indian restaurants outside India?

Contains mango?

Some sort of chutney or pickle?

[Projoy] Ayurvedic cuisine? vaguely.
[Darren] Curry? NO but ever so close
[Raak] found in Indian restaurants outside India? YES
[irach] contains mango? YES and no. Depends.
[Irouléguy] a chutney or pickle? YES!! *audience cheers wildly, orders takeaway*

Chutney it is. Over to you Irouléguy

Sorry for the delay! Out all day, and I'm out again tonight. Another quick one, I hope - ABSTRACT with ANIMAL connections.

Fictional?

Male?

Raak] Fictional? NO
Inkspot] Male? Usually, but not exclusively.

Symbolic?

The name of a job?

Raak] Symbolic? NO
Projoy] The name of a job? NO

Is it an activity?

A game?

Is the animal connection human?

Connected to religion?

Is more than one sort of animal involved?

Chalky] Is it an activity? *applause* YES
Rosie] A game? *louder applause, quite possibly beer-fuelled* YES
ImNotJohn] Is the animal connection human? YES
Inkspot] Connected to religion? *some sardonic chuckling* NO
Raak] Is more than one sort of animal involved? YE-ES, though I don't think that's helpful.

Football?

Game hunting?

Fuzzy Duck?

Cricket?

Assuming the ball contains leather.

Golf?

Raak - Football? NO
Projoy - Game hunting? NO - the other animals are red herrings
Phil - Fuzzy Duck? *the audience break into teams to play* Nice idea, but no.
Rosie - Cricket? NO *polite applause*
Assuming the ball contains leather - that assumption contains two unasked questions.
Darren] Golf? NO

Is it a ball game?

Darren] Is it a ball game? YES

Golf?

A team game?

Lacrosse?

Primarily associated with a particular country?

Handball?

Wondering whether games with implements like bats/clubs/whatever would have vegetable/mineral/whatever connections.

Baseball?

Is the animal connection _only_ human?

Rosie hits a a home run! It's baseball (the other animal connection being the leather-covered ball - I did say it was a red herring.) *Hands bat over*

Good heavens, I've won. Better have a lie down. That's better.

Nothing whatsoever to do with steam engines, but nevertheless MINERAL.

Metal?

A geographical feature?

Does it require electric power?

(Tuj, Phil, Inkspot) Not metallic, geographical or electrically-powered.

All together now, A human construct?

Smaller than a phone box?

(Projoy) YES, made by humans.
(Tuj) YES. Strictly, extremely unlikely that it's not.

Made of glass?

(Raak) - Made of glass? YES - *vigorous applause*

A container?

Is it made from just the one material?

A beer glass?

Raak - A container? - NO
Inkspot - Made from one material? -YES
Irouléguy - Beer glass? - How dare you? - NO

A decorative item?

(Phil) - Decorative item? Could be, but real answer is NO.

It is for looking through?

A scientific item?

(Raak) - For looking through? - NO
(Phil) - A scientific item? - YES

A pipette?

Is it a container?

(Irg) A pipette? - NO
(Darren) Already been asked - NO

Does it have other uses aside from the scientific one(s)?

(Darren) - Other uses - YES (if science and technology are distinct)

Thermometer?

(irach) - NO - Not a thermometer.

A mirror?

A prism

Can't believe no-one's asked if it starts with "P" yet...

(Raak) - Not a mirror, but (Phil) YES! - A prism. Carry on; it's all yours.

Well, stap me vitals, Bloodnok!

OK, this time I'll go for VEGETABLE & MINERAL

The vegetable's wood and the mineral's metal?

Salt and vinegar crisps?

Anything to do with dispensing inebriating fluids?

[Irach 1] Wood? CAN BE
[Irach 2] Metal? NO
[Darren] Walkers' Finest S&V? NO
[Rosie] To do with intoxicating liquor? NO

Bigger than a telephone kiosk?

[Chalky] Bigger than phonebox? NO

Is it a manufactured object?

A tool?

Is the mineral fluid?

[Darren] Manufactured? YES
[INJ] A tool? NO
[Raak] Fluid mineral? YES

Is the fluid water?

[Darren] Water? Not entirely

Is it a container of some sort?

[Chalky] Container? NO

Any connection with weather forecasting?

Barometer?

[Chalky] Weather forecasting? Dear God, NO - who do you think I am? :-)
[Darren] Barometer? NO

Is the water sea water?

Is it a drink?

Begins with a P?

Oh.

[Raak] Sea water? NO
[Inkspot] A drink? NO, unless you have very bizarre tastes...actually, just make that a stright NO
[Tuj] Begins with P? Sorry, NO.

Is the fluid used for cleaning?

Is the fluid colourless?

[Rosie] Fluid for cleaning? NO
[Inkspot] Is the fluid colourless? I don't know, but it could be I suppose.

Would you normally find it in the home?

Normally found in the home? Hmmmm, how pedantic do I want to be. YES, it could normally be found in a home; NO, a home is not the only place it is normally found.

Is it a measurement device?

Is the vegetable also part of the fluid?

[Kim] Measurement device? NO
[Inkspot] Is the vegetable also part of the fluid? NO
I think I need to provide a little guidance/clarification. The "manufactured object" does not contain any fluid.

Is it edible?

[Tuj] Edible? NO

Is it something that you put into a fluid?

Is it more likely to have a use in the workplace?

[Raak] Something that you put into a fluid? NO
[Chalky] More likely to have a use in the workplace? Possibly, but I'd say equally useful at home as at work.

Smaller than a toaster?

[Tuj] Smaller than a toaster? YES

Anything to do with sports?

Anything to do with cooking?

Is the vegetable part alive?

Is it something one could wear?

[Chalky] Sport? NO
[Rosie] Cooking? NO
[Tuj] Live vegetable? NO
[Darren] Something one could wear? Hmmm..it has been done, but I'd say NO.

Is it used to separate something from something else?

A newspaper? (The paper is dead vegetable, the printing ink being a fluid mineral, and newspapers have known to be worn on a couple of occasions, one can use it at home or in the office)

[Darren] To separate two things? NO *some whispering in the audience*
[irach] Newspaper? NO, *audience applauds irach's effort, despite it being wrong*

Is it printed paper?

Is paper involved?

Is is something to do with the arts?

[Raak] Printed paper? NO
[Tuj] Involves paper? NO
[Kim] To do with the arts? NO
*An audience member stands up and explains that they were applauding irach for applying his deductive powers and coming up with an excellent explanation, even though "newspaper" still isn't close*

A further hint/elaboration. The mineral fluid is used in the manufacture of the object from vegetable sources.

Was this thing "invented"?

[Phil] I'd realised what the audience were applauding for, but still did my daft guess anyway. Ah well.

medicinal?

[Tuj] Invented? YES
[Chalky] Medicinal? NO

Is the material used in arts and crafts?

[Raak] Used in arts and crafts? Can be, but not exclusively. *a ripple of applause*

Some sort of fixative or glue?

A model airplane made from balsa wood and epoxy adhesive?

[Chalky] Some sort of fixative or glue? YES *enthusiastic applause*
[irach] model aeroplane etc? NO

Good old-fashioned wood glue?

Wallpaper paste?

[Rosie] Wood glue? NO
[CHalky] Wallpaper paste? NO
An apology I applied too liberal a meaning to "fixative". Having now looked it up, I would have to give my earlier answer to Chalky as "NO, but getting close"

Polyfiller?

[Chalky] Polyfilla? NO

Play Doh?

Size?

I have no idea what size is made from, actually.

[Chalky] Playdoh? NO
[Raak] Size? NO (it's just weak wallpaper paste)

Papier maché?

Is it used in photography?

A plastic laminated card?

[Raak] Papier Maché? NO
[Kim] Photographical? NO
[irach] Plastic laminated card? NO *murmurs of interest from audience, who were starting to nod off*

Anyone for a summary?

What it is: it is manufactured; the vegetable aspect can be wood; the mineral aspect is fluid which is not entirely water and is probably colourless; it is found in the home and the workplace; it is smaller than a toaster; it was invented; it could be associated loosely with fixatives/glues.

What it's not: crisps; anything to do with booze; bigger than a phonebox; a tool; a container; anything to do with weather-forecasting (including barometers); involving sea water; a drink; starting with P; used as a cleaning fluid; a measurement device; linked to vegetal fluid; to do with sport or cooking; alive; something to wear (conventionally); a means of separation; a newspaper; printed paper; involving paper; to do with the arts; medicinal; a fixative or glue; model aeroplane; wood glue; wallpaper paste; polyfilla; playdoh; size; papier maché; plastic laminated card

Sellotape?

some sort of sealant?

[Tuj] Sellotape? YES, dagnammit, YES !!!! *rapturous applause*
[Chalky] A sealant? Well, as you can now see, it can be.
The vegetable is wood, cotton or hemp. That's dissolved in alkali to make viscose, then extruded into an acid bath to make cellophane. Rubber resin is applied to the cellophane to make Sellotape (or Scotch Tape or cellophane tape). My confusion over "fixative" was because I thought it meant something to fix one thing to another. Over to you Tuj, and congrats.

Ooh 'eck

Can I pass this one up? I'm probably not going to be around enough in the coming days - I'm packing & leaving for my second year of uni at present, a little mad (and no guarantee of having Internet at the other end yet...)
Whoever's in next with a good idea can take the baton.

May I ...?

VEGETABLE with traces of MINERAL with a strong ABSTRACT element.

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