mc5 - AVMA Take 2

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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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had to look that one up too.

[Projoy] a particular form of morpheme -- NO

old-world charm...

[CdM] an elephant - that is not the answer.
[CdM] YES! *wild cheering*. the physical manifestation of elephant as a group of words typically only occurs in a particular type of book. I think.

[Projoy] I meant a particular type of morpheme (still NO) Blame too many simulposts.

many apologies

[CdM] and I meant the physical manifestation of The Answer (as a group of words) typically only occurs in a particular type (or types) of books -- YES but, note, The Answer can also occur elsewhere.

(I mis-read "it" amongst the flurry of posting; you can have elephants in lots of books, of course, as well as elsewhere.)

woohoo, quintuple post

Of course, my mistake illustrates my difficulty with aspects of this topic all along. Note to self: don't win again.

[flerdle] Hey, I said don't think of an elephant! :)

PS. Is there a typical number of words in this group (or can it vary wildly from a few words to hundreds)?

[Projoy, elephants] AAAARRRRRGGGHHHHH

[Projoy] sorry, that got lost in the flurry of posts and a random backspace. NO. The number of words can vary wildly depending on where The Answer is found and The Answer itself. A random sampling just now gave the number of words as 24, 10, 65, 30 and 352.

Did you perform that random sampling with books that you had to hand?

Can I just say that this AVMA is (a) very good and (ii) very annoying?

[CdM] Did I perform that random sampling with books that I had to hand -- I would answer NO if I was to be evil because I used only one book. YES otherwise.

Is it a subclause (which often appears parenthetically)?

(I know it isn't really, since that appears in all kinds of books, but you have to get this stuff out of your head sometimes)

Wait a second... footnotes?

please excuse my badly mangled second-last sentence up there...

[Projoy] a subclause -- NO :-)
[Projoy] footnotes -- NO.

[Projoy] I have gone through footnotes and other similar ideas in my head, but then I get stuck on the fact that there are also very early instances of the elephant.

Is it some kind of definition or explanation?

[CdM] some kind of definition or explanation -- YES! *audience cheers enthusiastically*

a citation or quotation?

Scrub that, is it a definition in law, i.e. appearing in a contract or piece of legislation?

A dictionary definition?

[Projoy] citation/quotation -- NO, but it can be a very important part of some elephants
[Projoy] a definition in law/contract/legislation -- NO... *audience holds its collective breath*
[Phil] a dictionary definition -- CLOSE ENOUGH!

So, what were the words on the card?

The words on the card are actually "a dictionary entry". You can check the history of the dictionary in the wikipedia. Everything else can be seen above. *audience claps for everyone, especially CdM and Raak, with special cheers for Projoy's perseverence*

*retires*

I suddenly spotted the quotes in It is not "a dictionary" and realised there must be some significance.
Dunno how to follow that epic, but I'll try.

Vegetable

A dictionary?

Blimey, what a struggle!

A drink?

A live plant?

In hindsight, another clue(whether intentional or not)was the answer "not everything in the wikipedia has its own entry" right after the answer to Raak's guess "dictionaries". That was a very good AVMA. Nice one, Flerdle.

[Tuj] Dictionary? Not this time, matey :-)
[Inkspot] A drink? No, although I could do with one.
[Dandalf] A live plant? YES

A tree?

(On the last one I got totally sidetracked by the letter-P-elephant. I assumed there was something special about P.)

Native to a particular country?

Edible?

Typically sold at the local garden centre?

[Projoy] Tree? No
[Dandalf] Edible? YES
[Raak] Typically sold at local garden centre? No

A fungus?

[Projoy] That'd be my fault then :(

A bush?

[Tuj] Fungus? No
[Projoy] Bush? No

A berry?

Coughs politely

A root vegetable?

Does it grow in the wild?

nettle?

[Dandalf] Definitely intentional. [Projoy] many apologies.

A brassica?

flerdle] Do win again - that was one of the best for a long time.

A fruit ?(In the culinary not botanical sense)

Sweet, rather than savoury?

[Tuj, flerdle] No apols necessary. The whole fun of the game is trying to avoid being taken for a ride by your assumptions, and all the questions asked and answers given were completely correct.

Green in colour?

Typically found in the vegetables section of a British supermarket?

[Inkspot] Berry? No
[Rosie] Root vegetable? YES
[Chalky] grow in the wild? No, not as far as I know.
[flerdle] nettle? No
[Irouléguy] Brassica? No
[Dandalf] Fruit? No
[Projoy] Sweet, not savoury? Ummm, no. ( Some hushed comments amongst audience members)
[Tuj] Green? Partly
[Raak] Typically in UK supermarket? No

Carrot?

Yam?

(as opposed to sweet potatoes, which I think are to be found in British supermarkets these days. Aren't they?)

[\tuj] Carrot? No
[CdM] Yam? No (Yes, sweet potatoes are generally to be found in British supermarkets these days)

Chives?

Native to a particular country?

Just ask this one again as it has been over looked

Cassava? which unlike chives is a root vegetable ; -)

[Rosie] Chives? No
[Inkspot] Native to a particular country? (Sorry, didn't spot that earlier) No, as it does not grow in the wild, as far as I know.
[Dandalf] Cassava? No

Taro?

In order to get the last of the obvious ones out of the way.

[CdM] Taro? No - and if that's obvious, I'd hate to see obscure ;-)

Arrowroot?

Jerusalem artichoke?

Don't all cultivated plants have a wild form? Unless only the cultivars have survived and the original wild form is now extinct.

[flerdle] Arrowroot? No
[Dandalf] Jerusalem Artichoke? No - Yes, I presume all cultivated plants do derive from a wild form, but not all specific plants can be found in the wild.

A spice?

[Inkspot] Spice? No

A tuber?

[Inkspot] A tuber? No

A particular plant (rather than a vegetable/plant type)?

[flerdle] A particular plant? YES

Is it grown for human consumption?

[Inkspot] Grown for human consumption? YES - A ripple of applause from the slighly somnolent audience

sugar beet?

[flerdle] Sugar beet? No

Tea?

[Chalky] Tea? No

A swede?

Possibly not called Sven.

Is it grown in the Americas?

Is it typically processed (other than simply by cooking) before being eaten?

[Rosie] Swede? No
[Raak] Grown in the Americas? YES
[CdM] Typically processed before eating (other than cooking)? No, unless you count something like slicing as processing.

Time for a Summary

It is:
A specific, live, edible root vegetable, which is not (to my knowledge) found growing in the wild, and is not native to a particular country. It is grown in the Americas, and is grown for human consumption. It is partly green.

It is not:
A dictionary or a drink. Nor is it a tree, bush, fungus, berry, tuber, fruit, spice, tea, cassava, brassica, nettle, carrot, yam, chives, taro, arrowroot, jerusalem artichoke, spice, sugar beet or swede. It is not typically processed before eating (other than cooking or, say, slicing), and is not typically found in British supermarkets or local garden centres.

Peanuts, or if more "specific" is required Jimmy Carter's peanuts.

[Dandalf] Jimmy Carter's peanuts, or anyone else's for that matter? No
To clarify how specific I meant, the answer is something like "Savoy Cabbage", rather than "Cabbage" (to use a brassica-based example, which we know it isn't).

Is it medicinal?

[Inkspot] Is it medicinal? There are claims to its medicinal properties, so I think I'll have to say YES - Appreciative applause again for Inskspot

Well then ... is it typically consumed primarily for its medicainal properties?

[CdM] Typically consumed for medicinal purposes? No

Jicama?

It seems to me that it has to be more obscure than taro...

[CdM] Jicama? No - there is at least one non-obscure family of root vegetable plants that has not been mentioned at all.

Well, there are bulbs -- garlic, etc. -- but it seems to me that all the non-obscure ones would also be in U.K. supermarkets. So I am very confused...

daikon radish?

[flerdle] daikon radish? No - Audience gets rather agitated at CdM's musings.

Lotus roots?

Vidalia Onion?

[Raak] Lotus roots? No
[CdM] Vidalia Onion? No Disappointed mumblings from audience

Some kind of Allium?

[Néa] Some kind of Allium? YES - Cheers from the audience

Ramps?

[Raak] Ramps? No The audience leans forward in anticipation

Elephant Garlic?

Vidalia?

Is it known by different names in different countries (eg UK/USA)?

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