mc5 - AVMA Take 2

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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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Is it connected with the Internet?

[Tuj] No.

Does the mineral form take the form of writing of some sort?

[Tuj] No.

How much will it help if we find out what sort of mineral it is?

[I] Possibly, a bit. It might help more to find out what sort of abstract object it is.

Something to do with computers and the internet?

[I] No.

Is this something that people would pay to see?

[Chalky] No, but they can pay to buy one, at prices from $30 to $12000.

Is it an event?

[I] No.

Is this a piece of "abstract" art?

A Klein Bottle?

[Rosie] Yes!
[CdM] (the audience die of heart failure and are taken up bodily into heaven) YES! A Klein bottle!

All right. I will once again turn to the WRAVMASG...
...and this is either ABSTRACT or MINERAL/VEGETABLE with ANIMAL connections. I should perhaps warn you that it is very possible that no-one here has heard of this, but it should still be solvable with judicious questioning and googling.

Is it a physical construction?

Does it originate from a particular culture?

Physical construction? No.
Originate from a particular culture? Not exactly, but *some applause*.

Would it be found in a specific country?

Found in a specific country? Yes. *substantial applause*

Is the Animal connection human?

An English-speaking country?

A European country?

Is it a place?

Is the mineral metal?

Is the vegetable edible?

Is the associated country in Asia?

Rare audience appreciation!

Human? Yes. the animal connection is not particularly useful, though.
English-speaking? No.
European country? Yes
A place? Yes. *applause*
Metal? Some. Since you have now identified that we are looking for a place, I would say that the mineral/vegetable/animal connections are not that helpful.
Edible? Some. See above.
Asia? No.*dead silence from audience*

Is the place best known for an event that happened there?

Is it found in one of the EU member states?

Is the answer the name of a town (hamlet/city etc.)?

It is a place where one might go to contemplate the beauty of nature??

Actually, on second thoughts, given the ABSTRACT primary definition, I wonder - Is the answer the name of a geographical area in some sense?

best known for event? Um, I am not sure if it is known for anything
in EU? Yes.
Name of town (hamlet/city, etc.)? No, unless "etc." is very broadly defined.
beauty of nature? Er, I have no idea, really. I'll hazard a guess at yes, though I don't think it is particularly known for its natural beauty.
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Ah ... good thing I previewed before posting. Name of a geographical area? Yes. *applause*

Is it in France?

France? No. 24 to go.

In current EU?

Oops - forget that one - how about In a country with a Mediterranean coastline?

In current EU? Er, yes. Didn't I already answer that?
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Ah, you are saved by the preview again.
Mediterranean coastline? No.

And, for free, here is an addendum to a previous answer. The name of a town/hamlet/city is one of the words on the card, although the answer is not the name of a town/hamlet/city.

Does the area have a coastline?

Is the answer an administrative area?

In Scandinavia - including the Baltic States?

Coastline? I am pretty certain that the answer is no.
Administrative area? Yes. *applause*
Scandinavia including Baltics? Yes.

(Make that 99.9% certain that it does not have a coastline)

Is it in Finland?

Finland? No.

The province of Jönköping?

Does the name itself consist of more than word? (Or, contrariwise, is the phrase on the card 'the province/region/whatever of ...' plus just one word?)

In Germany?

Oops, missed that it's Scandinavia.

In Denmark?

The Tivoli Gardens?

In one of Baltic states?

Remember guys - the initial setting said that we've probably never heard of this.

Does it have connections to Norse legends and myths?

Is it in Sweden?

Jonkoping? No.
Form of answer? The answer is two words: Place Name + Administrative Area Designation.
Part of the Third Reich? No.
Denmark? No.
Tivoli Gardens? Never heard of them
In Baltic States? Yes.
Connection to Norse legends? Not as far as I am aware.
Sweden? No.

Something like "Latvian Borough of Riga"?

LBoR? Well, something like that, although see my previous response on the form of the answer.

Estonia?

For the sake of brevity assume I've asked the other 2 in turn if each preceding one is wrong.
Oh, it would have been briefer to ask the 3 questions separately, wouldn't it?

Estonia? Yes.

One of the 15 counties?

One of the 15 counties? Sadly, no. :-)

A municipality?

Municipality? Yes, although that is not the word on the card.

Is the word on the card 'township'?

OK so we're down to one of the 208 municipalities (aka townships) or possibly one of the 47 towns. Shouldn't take long now.

Is the second word "commune"?

Township/Commune? The word on the card is "Commune" but I think that is just an equivalent term for "township". As you say, shouldn't take too long.

Does the county it is in begin with a letter in the first half of the alphabet?

I can do binary chop searches

Disappearing into meetings now, but I'm using Wikipedia's 'list of municipalities in Estonia'

County in first half of alphabet? Yes, most definitely. :-) I'm leaving in 15 minutes; think we can get it worked out by then?

If it has not been figured out before I leave, I might hand the baton to INJ (*cries of "nepotism!" from the audience*) given that he has done most of the heavy lifting on this one.

Hiiu county?

In the hope of a quick win

Is it in the County of Harju?

[agree re: INJ so I'm just helpin to move things along - not aiming for a lurker's victory}

Harju it is

So, there are 19 communes, of which seven have coastline, so just 12 left to choose from

Saku Commune?

Nope. The answer was Kernu Commune. And as I am now going out for the evening, I am going to declare INJ the winner. Sorry it was so obscure, but that's what the Wikipedia Random AVMA Subject Generator gave me...

[CdM] An interesting technique for subject generation, but not very satisfying once we get down to the 'find the one from the list' bit. BTW I should also like to deny categorically that I am CdM's nephew.
Anyway, the next one is ABSTRACT with ANIMAL connections

Is the animal part a person?

[Ink] - Is the animal part a person? The animal part is human.

Is there a musical connection?

[Iroul] - musical connection? - NO

Is the animal part some number of specific humans?. [INJ] Agreed. If I use it again I will throw in a bit of my own discretion about the suitability of the subject.

[CdM]some specific humans - NO

A crowd or gathering of some kind?

[Rosie] gathering - NO

Is it a role?

[Raak] Role? - NO

Is it male?

[Inks] Male? - Not defined

[forgetting the animal part for the time being] - Is this an activity of some sort?

[Chalky] an activity - NO
Normal service (i.e. slow) will be resumed shortly - in about 20 mins - when I pack up to go home.

A belief system?

[Iroul] Belief system - NO

Human construct? (oblig.)

Does this involve the senses?

[CdM] Human construct? - YES (though that may not help a lot)
[Chalky] involve the senses? - NO

Is this an intellectual creation?

[CdM] an intellectual creation? - YES (some shaking of heads in the audience)

Is it a field of study?

[Hux] a field of study? - NO (some laughter in the audience)

Entertainment (or intended to be entertainment)?

[Iroul] entertainment? - NO
Hmm, I didn't think it would be this hard to get - I'm in meetings all afternoon, so I may have to start thinking of clues.

Is it an abstract noun?

Is this a medical condition?

[Tuj] abstract noun? - NO
[Chalky]a medical condition? - NO

I'm not very convinced by my own answer to the Intellectual creation question - I'm not completely sure what CdM meant by it. However the answer is a product of human minds, so I stand by it. I also refer you to my answer to the very first question from Inkspot.

Is the human a specific human?

Is this historically specific?

[Tuj] a specific human? - NO
[Iroul] historically specific? - NO (though its abstract existence does not span all of human history)

Clarifications on the last 2.
Not a specific human, but a specific subset of humankind.
Its existence spans about the last couple of hundred years.

An organisation?

[Raak] An organisation? - NO

Is it connected to the USA?

(I'm not sure what my 'intellectual creation' question meant either; I simply threw it out there in the hope that it would generate some response other than 'NO'.)

Or is it connected to some particular technological invention or innovation?

[CdM] connected to the USA? - Not particularly (nor originally)
technological invention or innovation? - NO (some laughter in the audience)

Religious?

[Tuj] Religious? - NO (but definitely no laughter)

Is the "specific subset of humankind" either 'men' or 'women'?

[CdM] either 'men' or 'women'? - NO

Trekkies?

To do with science fiction?

Is this represented by an acronym?

[Iroul] Trekkies - NO
[Raak] SciFi - NO
[Tuj] Acronym - NO
Time for a little help here. The human connection is with a specific subset of humankind which is neither men nor women.

Hallowe'en?

[Rosie] Hallowe'en? - NO

Children?

(i.e., is that the human connection?)

[CdM] Children? - YES; the human connection is with children (substantial applause from the audience)

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