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AVMA Take 2
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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....
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[Rosie] Almost anything could be!
[Irouléguy] Hmmm... its name would suggest so.
[Irouléguy] So as not to be too misleading, though, it's not something I'd say is culturally specific.
bric-a-brac?
[Raak] No.
A walking-stick?
[Rosie] No.
A ouija board?
[Raak] No.
Is the vegetable part solely wood?
A pencil-case?
[Irouléguy] As I implied above, no. There doesn't have to be any wood involved, although there sometimes is.
[Raak] No.
If no wood, then necessarily plastic?
a ruler?
[Rosie] Not necessarily.
[all] No.
Is the vegetable part some form of dried grass (straw, hay, etc)?
A window box?
[Irouléguy] The funny thing is, it can be, but that's such an incredibly misleading answer!
[Raak] No.

Does anyone want a clue?

(Darren) Yes please. Most of the answers seem to be a Pythonesque "could be". I detect widespread bafflement, of which I'm part. :-)
"Could be" is partly because I'm a vague person, and partly because I don't like leading people up too many dark alleys. Anyway, a clue: it's a kind of puzzle.
Is it generally placed on the floor, or is it in fact part of the floor?
Can one place umbrellas in it? As part of its normal usage, that is?
[irach] No and no.
[RedSnapper] No.
puzzled
Does this have any physical manifestation at all? Or is it purely conceptual?
confused
(Ansering my own questions) we're looking for the physical object. Is it essential to the game or puzzle? That is, can one play without the thing?
Dominoes?
[Effable] No, one cannot do this puzzle without the thing.
[Gusset Login] No.
Can it be turned off, or easily hidden away when house guests arrive?
Would you allow house guests to use yours? Even if they were only casual acquaintances ?
[irach] Turned off? No. Hidden away? Yes.
[RedSnapper] House guests? Yes. Casual acquaintances? Yes.
Is it typically held in one's hand when in use?
A Rubik Cube?
[irach] Yes... and yet no.
[Rosie] No.
A "Fifteen" puzzle?
Is the 'puzzle' a word game?
Su doku?
I hope I'm wrong.
pick-a-stix [that game with long pointy things]
[Rosie] No.
[Dujon] No.
[all] No.
[Chalky] No.
irach's question about holding it is a potentially rewarding line of enquiry.
Scoubi-dou? (spelling?)
A Magic Wand?
One of those stick-like things that will spin one way but not the other?
Spinning plates?
Is it some form of writing implement?
Playing cards?
[Irouléguy] No.
[ImNotJohn] No.
[Raak] No.
[Kim] No.
[irach] No.
[all] No.
A computer mouse?
A crossword puzzle?
paddle ball?
[irach] No.
[Rosie] No.
[all] No.
Could you take it on a camping trip with you without having to lug an electrical generator? Can you leave home without it?
Is the vegetable part of it part of its name?
[irach] (1) Yes. (2) Yes.
[Irouléguy] No.
Is it used in a recreation involving more than one person?
pooh-sticks?
Was this puzzle around in 1950?
Jigsaw puzzle?
[Raak] As far as I know, no.
[Chalky] No.
[Rosie] Yes.
[irach] No.
Solitaire?
A piece of juggling apparatus?
[Rosie] No.
[Raak] No, unless you were a very unusual juggler.

Another clue, anyone?

(Darren) Go on.
Is it normal to have more than one?
Does the puzzle/game involve trying to catch something?
Is it rectangular with specific places where one's fingers go?
[all] (1) Neither normal nor abnormal. (2) No.
[RedSnapper] Rectangular? Depends which way you look at it. Specific places for fingers? Yes.
It is hollow?
[Raak] Yes.
Does it have moving parts?
Does it have keys or buttons to place one's fingers on?
Does it rhyme with "cord"?
[Effable] No. It's got flexible parts though.
[irach] (1) No. (2) No.
Is is a folded paper puzzle?
[Dazed5] No.
Does the puzzle involve getting things into or out of this thing?
Are you going to give us the clue Rosie asked for?
Are building blocks involved in any way?
Is it for children as well as adults?
Can you easily bend it? (assuming you have average, and not Herculean strength)
[Raak] Yes.
[all] I was going to but you seem to be getting pretty close now.
[Irouléguy] No.
[Chalky] Yes.
[irach] Yes.
Cat's Cradle?
A Chinese finger-trap?
[Rosie] No.
[Raak] YES! Well done!

So, it goes over to Raak for the next round.

A finger-trap made of wood?

The next one is MINERAL

[Raak] Yep, they can be made of wood.
Is it metallic?
is it solid?
Is it larger than a teacup? (An average one, not the spinning kind in Disneyland)
Is it man-made?
Is it a geological feature?
Is it on this planet?
Metallic? Yes.
Solid? Yes.
Larger than teacup? Yes.
Man-made? Yes.
Geological? No.
On Earth? Yes.
Is there only one of this?
[finger-trap] After googling and finding a picture I can now state certainly that I have never seen nor heard of it - is it me, or generational, or geographical?
[INJ] More than one.
[INJ] (fingertraps) I saw them as a child in Edinburgh, erm, later middle C20.
Do they come in different sizes?
Is this used in the home?
Chinese Finger Trap - I've never heard of this either. T'was rather an anticlimax really :-(
Different sizes: Yes.
In the home: No.
Do you typically see it when driving on the street?
[IMJ, Chalky - Type www.ebay.com and put in "Chinese Finger trap" in the Search box. You'll see pictures of this infernal device]
Could you lift it?
A poll of 7 friends in The Greyhound, Carshalton revealed only one who had ever heard of Chinese Finger Traps. I think The Object should always be well known, so no characters from cult novels etc, or obscure asteroids. The game is difficult enough.
Is it used in cooking?
Is it / are they used in industry?
Is it mobile?
Is it a construction of multiple parts?
[Darren et al] Sorry, didn't mean to complain - what is well-known to one person may be obscure to others. It did explain why we found it so difficult though.
Typically see while driving: No.
Lift it: Yes.
Cooking: No.
Industry: No.
Mobile: Yes (but not under its own power).
Construction of parts: Yes.
Is it bigger than a breadbox?
[Finger traps] I've heard of them, but didn't think they were made of wood. Normally it's straw or leather.
Bigger than breadbox: Yes.
Is it closer to being rectangular or circular when viewed head-on ?
Er...no.
Is one likely to encounter it/them in everyday life ?
[fingertraps] They can be (and are) made of all sorts of things, which is why I had to be so vague about it. I would have thought everyone would have heard of them. The thing is, it's hard for one person to tell what everyone else has heard of without asking explicitly beforehand. Still, someone got it in the end which is what counts.
[irach] Most people won't.
Meteorites?
Meteorites? No.
Powered by electricity?
No.
A container of some sort?
Yes. (amusement in the audience)
Is it associated with substances not normally mentioned in polite company?
No.
(The audience's amusement was due to the fact that "a container" is so precisely accurate a description that only a child would spontaneously think of calling it one.)
A chastity belt?
A pair of handcuffs?
No, and no.
Are they normally found above ground?
Yes.
Does it have any moving parts?
Let's see.. Metallic... Man made... On earth...Not used in cooking...Not used in industry...Made of multiple parts...Not typically seen when driving... Can be lifted...Not likely to be encountered by most people in everyday life...Not powered by elecctricity... Normally found above ground... Container of a sort (likely to induce chuckles)... Hmm .. sure sounds like a metallic bra by Jean-Paul Gaultier as worn by Madonna, but probably isn't.
Moving parts? Yes.
Metallic bra? No.
Industrial use, in a broad sense?
A waste paper bin?
Industrial? No.
Waste bin? No.
Clue yet?
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