mc5 - AVMA Take 2

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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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A monument or statue?

[Software] Monument or Statue? YES. *Applause*

In England?

[Rosie] England? NO.

A well known male sans fig leaf?

[Dujon] A well known male without a fig leaf? As written, the answer has to be 'partly'. As intended, the answer would be very much NO. Take your pick.

Rodin's The Thinker?

[Software] The thinker? NO.

To clarify my answer to Dujon, the AOTC involves the image of a man who is not wearing a fig leaf but does not involve naked men in any way that I know of.

Is it a statue of just one person?

A political figure?

In Europe?

[Phil] A statue of just one person? The statue part of it is of one person.
[Rosie] A political figure? YES.
[Software] In Europe? NO.

In America?

[Gravy] 'Mer'ca? Yes

The Lincoln Monument?

Does the word Washington appear on the card?

[Dujon] Does Washington feature? NO
[Phil] Lincoln Monument/Memorial? YES. Have a baton purchased from the John Wilkes booth.

I have to give credit to the film "Night at the Museum 2" for raising my awareness of the Lincoln Monument, and more recently the 50th anniversary of the "I have a dream" speech, without which I would never have guessed that.
Anyway, onwards and upwards....our next AVMA is

Abstract with Animal

Is it a sandwich?

[Chalky] A sandwich? Alas, NO

Phrase or saying?

[Software] Phrase or saying? NO

One of the Seven Deadly Sins?

... or all of them?

[Chalky] A sin or seven? NO

A fictional person?

Grand Theft Auto V?

[GL] A fictional person? On this occasion I'll be generous and allow you the two questions in one - YES and NO
[Chalky] GTA V? NO

A fictional animal?

[Chalky] Fictional animal? YES *some applause*

A mermaid?

skippy?

A named individual fictional animal?

[Software] Mermaid? NO
[GL] Skippy? NO
[Raak] Named individual fictional animal? YES *a little more applause*

Created by A.A.Milne?

Has this named fictional animal appeared in more than one of the following media: book, film, TV, radio, grand opera?

[Dujon] A.A.Milne? NO
[CdM] In more than one of: book. film, TV, radio, grand opera? YES

A Disney character?

[Lovely Gravy] Disney? NO

Human?

Nobody has checked this yet.

Dog?

[Software] Actually, I did.

Was the creator male?

[Software] Human? NO (yes to fictional animal, no to fictional person, hence not a person. You are correct that nobody asked that question directly though)
[GL] Dog? YES *more applause*
[Dujon] Male creator? YES

Any connection with the Simpsons?

[Lovely G] Connection with the Simpsons? YES, but not an important connection, IMHO.

Greyfriar's Bobby?

Did this character first appear in print?

Did they first appear on TV?

[Software] Greyfriar's Bobby? NO
[Dujon] First appearance in print? YES
[GL] First appearance on TV? NO (see above)

Lassie?

[Ye Olde Softeware] Lassie? NO

Was s/he introduced in a childrens' story?

[Dujon] In a children's story? NO

Astonised of Berkshire

Ooops, not sure what happened there, but I thought I'd add a summary, just to help out, as I thought this would be simple. Not that there's much to summarize.
This is a fictional dog; created by a man; has appeared in multiple media (from the list: book, film, tv, radio, Grand Opera), but first appeared in print; has a slight link to The Simpsons (which is unlikely to be useful).
The AOTC was not created by A.A.Milne; is not a Disney character; is neither Greyfriars Bobby nor Lassie; was not introduced in a children's story.

The hound of the baskervilles?

[GL] HotB? NO

Toto

[Chalky] Toto? NONO

Created by Homer?

[Dujon] A Homeric character? NO

A clue

An assumption appears to have been made.

Is it a cartoon dog?

.. such as Scooby Doo?

[Chalky] A cartoon dog? YES *Much applause*
[Ibid.] Scooby Doo? NO *oohs, aahs and groans of disappointment*

Snoopy?

and the Red Baron

[Software] Snoopy? YES!
My childhood hero. I still drink out of a Snoopy mug at work, which even has a Snoopy stand to sit on. Such is my fondness for the special beagle, that when I tried this AVMA on family members, and as soon as I said "fictional dog", they guessed it. The assumption, of course, was that "print" referred to books. Also, The Simpsons makes several nods in the direction of Peanuts and Snoopy - e.g. "Hungry, Hungry Homer" which was on C4 last week finds Homer asleep on top of the kennel, and Bart says "Good grief!" more here.
Here, Software, take this flying helmet, goggles and scarf set - may it serve you well!

Well, well. I'm getting too good at this.

Can I think of something that won't cause as much trouble as last time?

Let's try this, then:

MINERAL with ANIMAL and Vegetable connections.

Sorry Software - too complicated - only kidding.
But whilst we're about it, PLEASE answer the questions in a straightforward manner ... takes bloody ages to work out what you're trying to reply to usually! ;-)

:o(

Sorry, sorry, sorry ...

A building?

Margarine?

A planet?

Man-made?

[Raak] A building? - NO (not as such)
[Phil] Margarine? - NO can tell talk from mutter
[GL] A planet - NO * some discussion and shuffling among the andience *
[Rosie] Man made? - YES

A satellite?

An international project?

[Phil] Satellite? - YES
[Duj] International? - YES

The ISS?

[Raak} ISS? - YES!

Please accept this SpaceX shaped baton

The next is, nowdays, mostly MINERAL.

man made?

Yes, man made

Is it something that was previously made from wood?

Ex-wood? No.

Concrete?

[Software] *amusement in the audience* Not concrete.

Made of plastic?

< Toaster < ?

[Rosie] Not really made of plastic, as ordinary people use the word, but an industrial chemist might disagree.
[Software} Bigger than a toaster.

Does it have moving parts?

[LG] *more amusement* It certainly does.

Is it elastic?

Something to support or suspend a human?

[Phil] Not elastic.
[Dujon] Yes! It supports or suspends a human. That might give slightly the wrong idea, but it definitely does that.

Might this be found in a fairground?

[LG] Not in a fairground.

Float on water?

[Software] About as well as a dog walks on its hind legs.

Is it primarily a form of transportation?

Some form of seating?

[LG] *applause* It is a form of transportation.
[Rosie] Not a form of seating.

Is it a form of footwear?

[Phil] Not footwear.

Does it have two wheels?

Swing bridge?

[LG] Does not have two wheels.
[Software] Not a swing bridge.

Is it "traditional" such as a rickshaw?

[Rosie] Not traditional.

Does it have wheels?

[Phil] No wheels at all.

Is the 'transportation' generally vertical?

[Dujon] Exclusively vertical, as in a lift? No.

Bobsleigh?

[GL] Not a bobsleigh.

Does on stand on it?

Might this be found at an airport?

[Phil] Interpreting the preposition strictly, one does not stand on this.
[LG] Not primarily found at airports.

Hang glider?

Is it a form of airborne transport?

[GL] Not a hang glider.
[Phil] *applause* Yes! A form of airborne transport.

Parachute?

Is heated air an important part of its propulsion?

[GL] Not a parachute.
[Dujon] *cheering* Yes! Heated air! Therefore it is...?

a political campain?

A hot-air balloon?

(GL) I can see your point, but it's Mineral. :-)

[GL] Not a political campaign.
[Rosie] A hot air balloon! Hold this mooring cable for a moment, will you? Oops...don't let go!

Oh shoot!

I was thinking hot-air balloon when I asked my last question, but didn't want to make the leap of faith. Congrats, Rosie.

Moving parts? Where exactly?

Also, did not get the 'dog on hind legs' reference to its ability to float on water. Surely an inflated balloon would float very well.

[LG] The whole thing moves! The gondola wouldn't float very well, and once the water puts the fire out, neither will the balloon.

Yay! Let's hear it for Charles' Law.

OK, this next one is

ABSTRACT with ANIMAL CONNECTIONS

Are the animal connections of a human nature?

(Phil) Human? Just about, i.e. YES

Phrase or saying?

(Softers) Not a phrase or saying.

Is the abstract a human behaviour?

(Duj) Not a human beviour.

Is there a connection to football?

Or is there a connection to the Tory Party?

Is it an institution or organisation type thing?

(CdM) It would take a conspiracy theorist of a high order to connect this with either of your suggestions.
(Phil) Strictly no, but possibly in a figurative sense.

Fictional?

Is there a misical connection?

Sorry, musical

(LG) Essentially no musical connection.

Fictional human(ish)?

(Softers) No. Real humans.

Is it a system of government?

(GL) Not a form of government. *slight amusement in the audience*

If not strictly an organisation, is it an informal collective of individuals?

(LG) Rather the opposite of informal.

OK then, a formal collective of individuals?

(Phil) Not a collective.
A different tack is needed.

Related to media?

(cfm) Media-related? YES.

A business cabal of some kind?

(Dujon) Not a business cabal.

Related to the news?

(GL) Not connected with the news.

Related to entertainment?

A spin doctor?

(cfm) Related to entertainment? YES.
(Softers) Spin doctors? The very last thing need by the AOTC. So, er, NO.

Are sattelites involved?

(Dujon) No satellites, natural or otherwise.

Related to prestidigitation?

Specifically related to television?

(Softers) No sleight of hand involved.
(cfm) Telly? YES. *applause*

An announcer?

(Softers) No, not an announcer, not even the mellifluous Charlotte Green. :-(

"Reality" television?

(cfm) Not "reality" television.

Is it the name of a TV programme?

(Lovely Gravy) The name of a TV programme? YES. *audience animation*

Surely not Paxman?

(Software) Paxman? He is certainly involved.

University Challenge?

(CdM) Morniverse - JOHN! Of course it is. Well done. I hand you the furry animal. And it's goodnightfrommegoodnight.

Yes, well, that wasn't quite a lurker's victory, since I did ask questions earlier on, but I clearly stood on the shoulders of slightly-taller-than-average people, there.

This isVEGETABLE with ABSTRACT and ANIMAL connections.

A leek?

Edible?

Leek? No.
Edible? No.

The True Cross?

Paxman?

True Cross? No. *tiny smattering of applause*
Paxman? No.

An artefact?

Is it a cauliflower with aspirations to become a moose?

Is it made of wood?

Artifact? No.
Upwardly-mobile cauliflower? No.
Wooden? Yes.

Is the abstract a religious matter?

Abstract = religious? Yes. *applause*

Is the religion Christianity?

A crucifix?

Christianity? No.
Crucifix? No.

Native American?

Native American? No.

In a round about way could the animal portion involve bats?

Bats? Er. As far as I know it would have to be very roundabout.

Used in the course of prayer?

The use-mention distinction

Used in prayer? No (though I am not sure if it is ever mentioned in the course of prayer; I suppose it might be).

Is the animal connection human?

Just to prevent misplaced assumptions

Is the religion Roman Catholic?

Roman Catholic? No. (We already knew it is not Christianity)

Is it made in the form of the animal connection?

Oops, missed Phil's question.
Animal connection = human? The main animal connection is human, yes. (There are also many other less direct animal connections, both human and nonhuman.)
Made in the form of the animal connection? No.

Would this be most likely to have been constructed in Russia?

Could this be lifted by a person of average proportions?

Sorry, missed the Christianity bit.

Constructed in Russia? No.
Liftable? No.

Does it relate to a specific religion?

Specific religion? Yes.

Is the religion Buddhism?

Let's home in a bit

Buddhism? Yes. *applause*

A temple?

The Bodhi Tree?

Is it carved?

Getting right to the point

The Bodhi tree? Yes! *takes chainsaw, fells tree, and fashions baton for Chalky*

Oooops

A genuine Lurker's Victory - thanks to all who set up my re-entry to this game.

A N I M A L

Dame Shirley Williams?

[Gusset Login] Dame Shirley Williams? Inspired - but NO.

Well, Dame Shirley bleed'n Porter, then?

Sorry for not taking this too seriously at the moment. Things will improve.

Is the animal human?

[Rosie] Well, Dame Shirley bleed'n Porter, then? Eff'n NO.
[Basics] Is the animal human? YES

Is the human alive?

[Phil] Is the human alive? YES

Is this a female?

A politician?

Is this person's native language English?

.. thought I'd replied already

And again ..
[LG] Female? Might be.
[Rosie] Politician? Might be.
[CdM] Native language English? Might be.

Is this one specific person?

Is it a group of people with a common goal (e.g. a choir or a football team)?

[Phil] One specific person? Most likely - so YES.
[Dujon] Group of people? Most unlikely - so NO.

Culture specific?

[CdM] Culture specific? Not sure what you mean - culture is a big word. I'd say NO.

A particular role or post?

[Software] Particular role/post? This person certainly has a role/part to play so a tentative Yes.

At the moment you are reading this, is the AOTC a single identifiable individual?

[CdM] Single identifiable individual? Well spotted - NO.
.. but I still think the additional word ABSTRACT would have been misleading. You may disagree .. :)

Does the person who represents the AOTC know that they are the AOTC?

Sorry - been out and about and away from t'interwebs ...

[Phil] Does the person who represents the AOTC know that they are the AOTC? Not a scooby doo - NO

Is the person a creation of one's imagination?

Is the AOTC a different person for each one of us?

[Rosie] Is the person a creation of ones imagination? NO
[CdM] Is the AOTC a different person for each one of us? NO

An actor?

Does this person perform a service?

[Software] An actor? Unlikely but can't say for sure.
[Rosie] Perform a service? Insomuch as they are the subject of this puzzle - I have to say yes.

Have you met someone who is an AOTC?

[CdM] Have I met someone who is an AOTC? This particular someone is the only one who *could* be the AOTC. Whether or not I've met them already is irrelevant.

Will the AOTC be selected at birth?

[GL] Will the AOTC be selected at birth? NO .. what an odd question!

Is the AOTC the person who is the AOTC?

If so, it's Not Fair.

[Rosie] Is the AOTC the person who is the AOTC? NO - but I like your thinking! *Audience senses a breakthrough*

CdM?*

*(being the winner of this round)

I think that counts as a win, Monsieur C de M.
The actual Words On The Card are The Person Who Guesses That They Are The Winner Of This Round.
I toyed with the notion of adding ABSTRACT to the description but really couldn't be bothered with the standard questioning that might've come my way ;-)

Besides - you ARE a real person, aren't you?

*baton fashions itself into CdM-shape and flies to Daddy*

Interestingly, though Rosie's answer was not the answer on the card, it was a correct answer.
ANIMAL

Indeed it was.

Human?

[Chalky] Congrats on your delightfully bewildering round - that was fun!

Dame Shirley Williams?

Human?

(CdM) I'm flattered, despite the logical impasse. Not to worry - all statements made by ethnic-Welsh Londoners are false anyway.

Human? Yes. *some audience murmuring, which abates when they read the footnotes on the card*
Shirley Williams? No.
Human? Yes. *no murmuring, because the audience members have read the footnotes on the card*

Human with footnotes?

An armless pianist?

Human with footnotes? Yes. Your point? (OK. I think the most useful answer is yes. But it is possible to claim that a simple Yes is misleading.)
Handicapped pianist? No.

Is this a named human?

Is this more than one human?

Is this less than one human?

Good questions

Named human? No.
More than one human? The AOTC is not more than one human. *smattering of applause, nonetheless*
Less than one human? Yes. *some applause, and some discussion among the more pedantic audience members*

A severed head?

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