mc5 - AVMA Take 2

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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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Is this an alternative title for the monarch?

Honi soit qui mal y pense?

[Phil] Pass us a straw, mate.

Allelulia Phil!

The Abstract is a SONG - the SONG is the AOTC which was 'The British National Anthem - God Save Our Gracious Queen' [who was the Animal connection all the way through]
Thank you Phil - here's a victorious, happy and glorious baton ...

Golly, thanks Chalky. Long did you reign over us with that one - chortle chortle!
Next up is

Mineral

Liquid?

Metal?

Commonly found in the household?

[Rosie] Liquid? NO
[CHalky] Metal? NO
[Quendalon] Household object? NO

Is it a mineral [ a naturally occurring inorganic solid etc] ?

[Chalky] A (well-defined) mineral? YES

Perovskite?

[Raak] Perovskite? NO
Clarification: I meant that it is composed of a mineral.

Man made?

[GL] Man made? Ummm, YES is the best answer, I believe as it would not be recognisable as what it is without mankind.

Asbestos?

Is it unique?

Does it naturally occur in nature?

[Raak] Asbestos? NO
[Quendalon] Unique? YES
[nights] Naturally in nature? Speaking strictly about the AOTC, NO.

Is it used as a building material?

Is the metal extracted from an ore (e.g. Aluminium from Bauxite)?

Does it move?

Is it a landmark?

[Rosie] Building material? The AOTC is not, but the substance of which it is composed is.
[Dujon] metal from an ore? NO
[Tuj] Does it move? NO
[GL] Landmark? NO

A cairn?

A wahoo from 60 yards.

Made from stone/rock?

Is it in Europe?

[Rosie] A cairn? NO
[Chalky] Made from stone/rock? YES. *some applause*
[Tuj] In Europe? YES

Made of diamond?

A natural geographical feature?

A mine?

[GL] Diamond? NO
[Rosie] Natural feature? NO
[Raak] Mine? NO

In the UK?

Smaller than a Range Rover?

[Tuj] In the UK? NO
[Chalky] Smaller than Range Rover? YES

A monument?

The Blarney Stone?

[Software] A monument? NO *audience stirs*
[Chalky] De Blarney Stone? NO

Begins with a P?

A statue?

[Tuj] P word? NO
[Chalky] A statue? YES *much applause*

In Italy?

[Software] In Italy? NO

The statue of liberty?

The one in France, obviously.

In Denmark?

[GL] Liberté? NON
[Chalky] .dk? NEJ

Is this a creation of Claude Michel?

[Dujon] Claude Michel? ~~who?~~ NO

This statue - a female human?

[Chalky] Female human statue? YES *Applause*

Venus de Milo?

[Chalky] VdM (any relation to CdM, I've often wondered?) - YES.
Congratulations, may I pass on this severed-arm-shaped baton to you.

*curtseys*

Thanks Phil. Not sure why I chased that one - given my absence from the internets, therefore this game, for the next week. I guess I enjoyed it :)

* tosses severed-arm-shaped baton into the air hoping someone will catch it before it lands and shatters into a thousand pieces*

*reaches for the baton, but not too aggressively on account of having held it twice recently*

Shall I grab it? Oh, all right then.

It is Abstract with Animal and Mineral connections.

Animals human?

Begins with a P?

*jumps*

The title of some work?

[Rosie] Human? Mostly, I would say
[Tuj] Pish? No P anywhere
[cfm] Title of some work? Googling actually says YES, not sure that it is helpful though.

A human invention?

Do the humans have a common purpose?

Is a horse likely to be associated with this person?

Supernatural?

[Tuj] Homogeneous? NO
[Rosie] Common purpose? Mmmm, maybe but largely NO
[Duj] Horsey? Perhaps figuratively but mainly NO
[Quen] Eerie? NO

A well knwon phrase or saying?

Is the mineral aspect metal?

[GL] Adage? YESish
[Phil] Metalic? NO not exclusively.

Whoops!

I must also rap my own wrist for just noticing that I omitted Vegetable from the definition.

Is the vegetable element wood?

Does the abstract result from human activity? (eg urbanisation)

Are any of the aspects a geographical location?

*taking an interest ..*

Wow - a whole week away and not a lot has happened.
So we have an Abstract with Animal Vegetable Mineral connections and have ascertained that it's a sort of well-known phrase or saying?

Is it a place?

[Phil] Wood? NO not exclusively
[Rosie] Global Warming? Mmmm, interesting but probably NO
[GL] Geographic? NO non specific but much rarer in some locations
[Chalky] Place? NO specific location.

A naturally occurring phenomenon?

A mental process?

[Chalks] Natural? YES
[cfm] Think? NO

Is agriculture part of this?

rm? in a way YES

A weather condition?

[Chalks] Meteo? YES

Raining cats and dogs?

Datsun cogs, old ladies and sticks etc.

[Rosie] Precipitation? - NO but chuckles and random clapping from audience

Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey?

[Phil] Chilly NO * audience chuckles and talks among themselves and some spontaneous clapping *

Something to do with climate change?

[Duj] Global warming? - NO * chattering and sporadic clapping in audience *

A Weather Forecast?

[Phil] Wet seaweed? - NO * audience murmuring and sporadic clapping *

Is the weather condition adverse?

[Rosie] Adverse? - YES. * audience getting excited *

The Shipping Forecast?

Does H2O (or lack of same) feature?

[Chalks] Forth, Tyne etc? NO
[Duj] Wet n'dry? - YES! * audience getting excited *

The Biblical Flood?

Would Rosie's last comment be the antithesis of the AOTC?

Does the AOTC take the format, "X as a Y"?

Does the AOTC relate to measuring weather?

[Rosie] Noah? - NO
[Duj] Oposite? - in a way but probably NO< br> [Quen] Logic? - NO but close
[Chalks] Meteo? - NO
Clue time: 4 words 2 the same relating to weather.

As right as rain?

[Chalks] Wet, wet , wet? - NO * gasps of anticipation and clapping from audience *

As dry as dust?

Are the two identical words "the"?

Hot as hell?

[Raak] Dusty - NO
[Rosie] Definite article?NO
[cfm] Bong! Right on the money!

As hot as hell is on the card. Well it felt that way when I kicked this one off! I hand over the iced baton to cfm.

Now that's a surprise. I was pretty much lost during all of that that round.
Well then, let's try ANIMAL WITH ANIMAL AND ABSTRACT CONNECTIONS

Is the primary animal human?

[Chalky] I suppose that I should have asked "Does it have any supernatural associations?" rather than the vaguer "Supernatural?"

[Q] Human first and foremost? YES.

Richard the Lionheart?

Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?

I'll behave next time ;)

Is the secondary animal canine?

Begins with P?

Me And You And A Dog Named Boo - Lobo?

[Quendalon] *confused face*?

[GL] Dickheart? NO
[Dujon] The end of the world as we know it? NO
[CdM] Woof? YES *audience is too awed to applaud*
[Tuj] Having the usual, I see? NO
[Chalky] That 70s sound? NO

Is the canine a specific, identified dog?

[CdM] Name that dog? After a bit of research (and also technically speaking), NO. But YES would not have been a bad answer. :-)

One man and his dog?

(Went to mow a meadow.)

Would Julius Caesar be pertinent to the AOTC?

Anubis?

[Chalky] Oops! That should have been aimed at Software.

fictional?

[GL] One plus one? NO
[Dujon] Roman rule? NO--at least not as far as I know or could identify from a Wikipedia search.
[Q] I want my mummy? NO
[Chalky] Storytime? NO

Is the human a specific, identified person?

Is this a well-known phrase or saying?

[CdM] Can I see some ID, please? YES
[Chalky] "It's like they say..."? NO

Is this person alive?

[Tuj] Still among us? YES

Showbiz connection?

[Software] You oughtta be in pictures? YES, but I fear this may lead you astray. *nods among the audience*

Famous for doing something rather than who he/she is?

[GL] Real life action hero? YES.

Human=male?

[Chalky] Dude? YES

Has this man been depicted in film(s) but not appeared there?

[Dujon] I don't have sufficient knowledge answer your question. But I will answer another. YES, this man has appeared in films.

The abstract connection? Is that the 'films' bit? Documentaries?

I don't think I have sufficient knowledge of man with dog appearing in films .. so may withdraw my participation. Hope others demonstrate a little more curiosity ...

[Chalky] That's a big [YES] Don't drop out. :-( You've made an important connection!

Steve Irwin?

[Software] Mass market wildlife expert? NO
Hint: It might help to probe a little more on the abstract connection...

One Man And His Dog?

[Raak] Sheepdog drama? NO But one man and his dogs? YES :-)

Actaeon, torn apart by his own hounds?

[Raak] Bloody mess? NO. Was there a film about that? :-)

Are these multiple dogs all presented as if they were the same fictional dog (e.g. like when Lassie was periodically re-cast)

Has Timmy fallen down the well, again?

Is this USA-centric?

[Projoy, GL] Lass-a-likes? NO
[Chalky] Red, white and blue? YES and NO. The human is American. The dogs, I believe, are ethnically German.

Is he an explorer?

Are the dogs Dalmatians?

[cfm] Film? I don't know, but I'd watch it if there was.

Christopher Plummer and the Hounds of Munich?

I am completely stumped!

[Chalky] Explorer? NO, not unless you are speaking metaphorically.
[Raak] Spot the AOTC? NO *audience applauds enthusiastically at this line of questioning*
[Phil] Von Trapped? NO. (hint: the human is not an actor, although he has appeared on TV and in film.)

Is there a succession of dogs, rather than a number of dogs at one time?

If that makes sense. I'm remembering when I chose the MGM lion and discovered there had been (I think) four of them.

[CdM] YES and NO. There was at least one well-known succession but there have also been multiple simultaneous dogs. (Is it just me, or does that sound kinda dirty?)

Are the dogs Alsations/German Shepherds?

Just for my own clarification purposes.

Is the abstract connection musical?

[Dujon] A/GSs? NO *audience still approves of this line of questioning*

(Also, it's just you.)

[CdM] Rhythm and rhyme and harmony? NO *audience applauds nonetheless*

cartoon/cgi dachshunds?

Clearly I haven't the foggiest what this is .. don't know why I'm bothering.

Or even dancing dogs?

Is the abstract connection artistic?

You did say we should pursue it...

Turner and Hooch?

[Chalky] Dancing cartoon dachshunds? NO *audience claps encouragingly*
[CdM] But is it art? YES *loud cheering*
[Phil] Tom Hanks? NO The AOTC only has a tangential connection to show biz.

To summarize, we are talking about a contemporary American artist (male) working with multiple dogs of a German breed that is not the shepherd or Dachsund. He has appeared on at least two famous American TV shows and in his own films. I will add that those appearances may not be the only connection to film. And I will apologize for choosing what appears to be an extremely obscure AOTC. My guess, however, is that many of you would recognize this man's (iconic, really) work, which is held in the permanent collections of major museums including the the Museum of Modern Art in New York and the Smithsonian. A quick scan of his biography informs me that his work has also been exhibited in London, Paris, Madrid, Amsterdam, Munich, Seoul and Singapore.

Pinschers?

[Projoy] Police pup? NO
And I think it's time I put an end to the misery of this round. Sorry I picked such tough one. The furry baton goes to the first person who grabs it. And for those who are interested, the AOTC is revealed here.

It's good to learn new stuff

[cfm] I feel sure the AOTC would have been solved at some point. We are also missing some of our more, shall we say - forensic? gameplayers.

Chalky I'll take the fresh baton, thanks. I did give up a turn a few weeks back.
And now for a puzzler that everyone will have heard of .. A N I M A L

Human?

[cfm] You are too hard on yourself! I had certainly heard of the AOTC and know the photographs. I think I ended up getting stuck on the film angle, even though you did warn us that it might be a red herring.

An individual, unique animal?

[cfm] I'd never heard of him, but one man's obvious being another man's obscure is part of the fun of life.

[Phil] An individual, unique animal? NO

*points quietly at CdM's question*

[CdM] Human? NO

A pet?

Alive?

[Dujon] A Pet? NO
[CdM] Alive? YES

Found in UK?

A mammal?

[Softers] In UK ? YES
[CFM] Mammal? NO

An arachnid?

An insect?

A duck?

[Dujon] Arachnid? Technically NO .. *applause*
[Rosie] ... Insect? YES *enthusiastic applause*
[Sir Bedevere] Duck? NO

Can it sting?

Does one generally enounter them as a swarm or infestation -- as opposed to a lone bug?

[Rosie] Sting? Not 'sting' exactly ...
[cfm] Swarm or infestation? YES *audience getting excited*

*chances it* Mosquitos?

Midges?

Does it belong to the order of Hymenoptera?

Please ignore that, Chalky. From personal experience I know only too well that some of them can indeed sting.

[cfm] Mosquitos? NO
[Rosie] Midges? NO
*ignores Dujon's question*

Locusts?

Do they fly?

ladybirds?

[Raak] Locusts? NO
[CdM] Do they fly? NO
[Softers] Ladybirds? NO

This can be solved within 20 questions if you look back to where the audience got a bit excited ...

Ants?

They're made of Formica.

[Rosie] Formica Ants? NO

Do they attack vegetation?

Fleas?

Is this a common parasite found on humans?

[Rosie] Attackers of veg? NO
[cfm] fleas? NO
[Dujon] Common parasite found on humans? YES - three quarters of your question is correct, the other quarter half correct! *audience senses a result*

Lice?

As soon as I typed the word I started scratching...

Bed bugs?

Tapeworms?

Being in humans rather than on them.

[CdM] Lice? NO
[Raak] Tapeworms? NO

But Software has it on the 21st question - the AOTC being Bed bugs.
*gingerly hands over an insecticide-sprayed baton*

Well I'm Blowed!

* Carefully accepts baton from Chalky wearing surgical gloves *

Twice in quick succession. Well, well!

Now what do we have here? Another ABSTRACT with ANIMAL, VEGETABLE and MINERAL connections.

* Scantily clad girl parades the answer card in front of the audience *

Pornography?

[Phil] *laughs*

A human idea or concept?

A fictional place?

Unique?

[Phil] DIY passtime? - NO
[Rosie] Man made? - YES
[GL] Fairy story? - NO
[Duj] Only one? - depends on pedantic interpretation but generally NO

Humans with a common purpose?

[Rosie] Mass conciseness? - NO (although may be disputed when the AOTC is revealed, perhaps)

Are there animal connections other than human?

Is this an idea, political or social, say?

[cfm] Bestial - NO (although some may dispute this)
[Rosie] Conceptual? - YES

Anarcho-syndicalism?

[GL] Direct Action - NO (I had to look that up so no chance of it being the AOTC!)

Anything to do with economics?

Does it begin with P?

Is it a sandwich?

[Rosie] Money, money money? - NO * a few claps from the audience and some chattering *
[CdM] P-ish - NO
[Chalks] Cheese and tomato on brown? - NO

Virgin Trains?

[Rosie] West coast delays? - NO I suppose they could be described as abstract * chuckles from audience *

Is this a symbol of something (e.g. a coat of arms or a flag)?

[Duj] Symbolic? - NO

Is it a place?

A whole week and very little interest in this one ..

Is it a well-known phrase or saying?

Is it connected to the arts?

Multi-Chalks: Place? - NO; Saw? - NO * stiring in audience * ; Arty-farty? - NO (only indirectly but that could be misleading)

A political theory?

[Rosie]Dogma? - NO

A personal philosophy or way of living?

[cfm] karma? - NO

Something to do with language?

[cfm] Chatter? - NO

Conneted to religion?

[GL] Belief? - NO

A scientific theory or hypethesis?

[Rosie] Good science? - NO

Is this a physical 'thing'?

[Duj] Physical? - NO this is an abstract concept that like many such has a physical side effect but the AOTC (3 words by the way) will make this clear

Bored to death?

Anything to do with fear?

[Chalks] Ennui? - NO maybe the participants are becoming that
[Rosie] Scary? - NO

Is this a relatively modern idea?

[Rosie] Newish? - YES end of 19 Century apparently

Anything to do with health matters?

Modern? Newish? End of 19th Century - that's 18 hundred and something! Did you just say YES so that it doesn't look as though everyone except Rosie has had a NO for the last fortnight? :-)

Anything to do with Trade Unionism?

(Chalky) 1899 is only yesterday. My Dad was alive.

[Chalks] Healthy? - NO not directly anyway- recent well not BC is it?
[Rosie] All out? - NO * some stirring in the audience *

Modern Olympic Games?

Health and Safety?

Is this a form of revolution?

[Chalks] 5 rings - NO
[Rosie] H&S Gestapo? - NO
[Duj] Uprising? - NO you are all drifting away from ABSTRACT.

CLUE: there is more than one of these

The real Chalky

Is it a Lifestyle Choice?

Softers - please can you do a summary to say what it's NOT. Ta :-)

[Chalks] My way? - NO anyone can do it, most do.

SUMMARY - Concentrate on the ABSTRACT. It is not: a fairy story, a life choice, a saying, a game, a passtime, scientific, religious or other social theory, nothing to do with language, politics philosophy or art. ANIMAL connection is strong the others less so. Good luck, it ain't that hard!

Is it culture-specific?

[CdM] Foible? - YES - well to qualify, the AOTC is AFIK but the principle isn't

Associated primarily with the UK?

[CdM] Blighty? - YES, primarily, the AOTC is anyway.

Is it an activity, i.e. something that one does?

[Phil] Out and about? - YES and NO, perhaps is the best answer.

Is the AOTC a present participle?

as "yes and no" isn't a very useful answer :)

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