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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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First literary appearance before 1900?

[Chalky] multi-species? NO - (There's a misapprehension behind your question - I assume based on my answer to Tuj. I counted the human as a creature) So to be clear, the AOTC includes a human and another creature.
[Quen] First written about pre 1900? - YES *some chuckles in the audience*

Alice in Wonderland?

Is Software's question a 'book title' which Tuj asked and to which you have replied NO?

Thanks for clarification on the creature issue :)

Is the human named ie. Jonah and The Whale?

[Software] Miss Liddell and the Magic Mushrooms? - NO (I would consider that a 'Book Title'
[Chalky] Named Human? - YES *appreciative murmurs*

BTW - I've done some research and can't find a book title that matches the AOTC - though there are several which incorporate most of it, at least one of which is by a well-known writer. I don't think it's a useful approach for you.

Is the non-human a mythical creature?

Beginning to get somewhere

[Tuj] Non-human mythical? - NO

Is the human from the Mediterranean?

[Tuj] One of those 'Mediterranean' types? - YES

Silvio Berlusconi?

Shurely he is mythical by now.

Perseus?

Can I still pretend I'm lurking after making a guess?

First literary appearance BC?

[Software] Super Silvio? - NO
[GLogin] Perseus? - NO *some applause* (and NO)
[Raak] BCE initially? - YES

Jason and the Golden Fleece?

Is this from the Old Testament?

[Quen] Jason &c? - NO
[Chalky] OT? - NO

Is the non-human creature named?

Was this fellow an early aviator?

[Quendalon] e.g. Mrs Tiggywinkle? - NO
[Dujon] Icarine? - NO

Is the named human known to us by just a single (i.e., one word) name?

[CdM] Single name? - YES

Plato's man (i.e. a plucked chicken)?

Greek mythology?

[Raak] Plato's Man? - NO
[Quen] Greek Mythology? - YES (the human is from Greek mythology)

Theseus and The Minataur?

Pasiphaë and the Bull?

[Chalky] Theseus etc.? - NO
[Quen] Pasiphaë etc.? - NO
I said the human is from Greek mythology

Do the human and the non-human appear in combination in Greek mythology?

Does the Human's name begin with 'H'?

[Quen] Do the human and the non-human appear in combination in Greek mythology? - NO (and a good question)

Ahem *coughs*

Does the creature *belong* to the human from mythology

Looking for the link ...
Not a well known phrase or saying
Not a book title
Not a Greek myth as such
Not a proverb

[Chalky] H.....? - NO - didn't forget - just got interrupted.
All your statements are correct
You can derive from what I have told you that we have a mythical greek human and a non-mythical animal. If you get these you will not quite have the AOTC, but that will be obvious.

Is there a constellation named after either of them?

[GLogin] Constellation? - NO (at least not in the European tradition and the current standard list)

Actually, there has been a constellation proposed as the animal, but it never caught on and is not in current use. (Thank You Wikipedia)

Is it the name of a band?

Is the non-human a bird?

[NJ] Chalky's list had a question above it, note.

Is the AOTC formatted as " someone AND THE something "?

[Chalky] Creature 'owned' by human? - NO
[Phil] Band Name? - YES (or at least the name of a band is included in the AOTC, but I'd never heard of it - thank you Google)
[Tuj] Birdy creature? - NO
[Chalky] Someone & the Something? - YES *audience perks up* But that's not the entire AOTC

Is the animal a mammal?

Clutching at straws for anything that might trigger some inspiration.

Is it the name of a song?

Is the non-human aquatic?

[Phil] Mammal? - NO
[Quen] A song? - NO (I'm not going to bother to google that, so I may be wrong!!)
[Tuj] Watery? - NO
I'll see if I can think of a clue.

Is it a title of any sort?

I'm currently stumped.

Are either of them a reptile?

Quite a big nudge

[Quen] A title? - NO
[GLogin] A reptile? - Technically NO, but in common parlance some people may consider the non-human animal to be at least reptilian in some characteristics.

A couple of clues:
1. The format of the answer is actually 'THE something abstract OF someone AND THE something
2. Consider what else has come down to us from the Greeks apart from their myths and legends

Does the 'something abstract' begin with P?

Even more stumped than before.

The Ballad of John and Yoko?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Quen] P-abstract? - YES
[Phil] Christ, you know it ain't easy? - NO

The Paradox of Achilles and the Tortoise?

See, it wasn't that hard!

[Phil] YES!! It is Zeno's Paradox of Achilles and the Tortoise which gets most of a chapter to itself in 'Gödel Escher, Bach'

Here, have half a baton and a quarter of a baton and an eighth of a baton, and ........

The "reptilian in some characteristics" was the giveaway, once I spotted it. I am a herpetophobe, and once ran away from a girlfriend's pet tortoise, which she was holding to try and show to me. It was rather embarrassing, and gave me nightmares, but up to that point I'd thought my phobia only stretched to snakes.

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Just typing that has made me curl my legs up under my chair, rather than under the desk where I can't see.

So, our next offering is

Mineral

The plane from "Snakes on a Plane" after all the snakes have been removed?

[NJ] Ah. I'd forgotten all about the whole "Achilles and the tortoise" bit; I always just think of it as Zeno's paradox.

[CdM] The plane from the film I deliberately haven't even seen the trailer for? NO

Made of metal?

[CdM] Yes but Zeno had 9 paradoxes including the one I quoted in handing over the baton, which is related to, but not identical to 'Achilles..'

Unique?

[CdM] Good guess - after all, simply "the absence of snakes" would've been abstract, right?

Man made?

[NJ] Tortoises are reptiles in the order Testudines. What technicality are you thinking of that that cancels out?

[NJ] Made of metal? Partially
[Tuj] Unique? YES
[GL] Man-made? YES
[NJ] Have a toffee for being the only person so far not to have mentioned snakes/reptiles.

Sculptural?

[GLogin] I plead stupidity. For some reason I'd always thought that chelonians were a separate class and I didn't bother to check.

A bridge?

[NJ] Sculptural? NO
[Raak] A bridge? YES *Applause*

London Bridge?

[NJ] I always get that one confused with the Fable of the Tortoise and the Hare.

[Quendalon] London Bridge? NO

The Golden Gate?

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