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AVMA Take 2
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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....
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Does the letter "k" occur in the AOTC ?
[Boolbar] Does the letter "k" occur in the AOTC? In English? No. In Esperanto, Dutch or Slovak? Yes
Are the sports connected with the AOTC occuring at the 2012 Olympics?
Topical!
[Boolbar] Are the sports in the Summer Olympics 2012? The obvious one is. The other one isn't and if it had been, the AOTC part would likely be omitted.

If no one gets this by Monday morning (BST) I intend to quit and let the first person to say "baton" start a new one.
Does the AOTC have something to do with a Baton?
[Boolbar] A Baton? YES the AOTC is "The Baton" please take this thing off me.
I wasn't expecting that!
Onwards :
ANIMAL
Human?
Unique?
Alive today?.
A flying start.
[cfm] Human?   Oh yes.
[CdM] Only one?   Oh yes.
[irach] Unkicked bucket?   Oh yes.
Did they win a medal at the London 2012 Olympics?
Female?
Bradley Wiggins?
[Gusset Login] Gong?   No.   *Slight murmur from the audience*
[cfm] Femella?   Yes!
[Raak] Ginger sideburns?   No.
Disqualified from a medal at the London 2012 Olympics?
[Raak] Gong gone? No.
A competitor at the London 2012 Olympics?
Or failing that an asian badminton player
A medalist at some past Olympics?
[Gusset Login] Going for gold in 2012?   No.   *A few sniggers from the audience*
[cfm] Old Olympian?   No.
Any connection with the 2012 Olympics
[ImNotJohn] 2012 Olympics   Yes!
A politician?
Lord Coe?
[Raak] I think you must mean Lady Coe.
[cfm] Politician No.
[Raak] Coe/Coette No.
British?
[ImNotJohn] No. Not British.
A journalist?
Asian?
[cfm]   Journalist?   No.
[Gusset Login]   Asian?   Yes!   *Audience applause*
Were they disqualified from the 2012 Olympics?
[Gusset Login]   Disqualified   No. "Not applicable" is a more accurate answer.
A member of the IOC?
[ImNotJohn]   IOCilver Lining?  No.
Associated with any particular sport?
[Raak]   Sporty?   No.
Chinese?
[Tuj]   Chinese?   No.
A busy weekend looming
I have to admit, I don't know why this particular person popped into my head when I picked up the baton. She really shouldn't have been there.
Connected to the Opening Ceremony in London?
[CdM] Yes! *Audience applause*
Madhura Nagendra, the "gatecrasher" with the Indian contingent marchers?
[irach] Yes! She is the answer on my card. I pass you these two batons. I'm not sure where the second one came from.
A lurker's victory this....the next one is ABSTRACT with a main ANIMAL connection, plus another somewhat more remote ANIMAL connection.
Is the main animal connection human?
Fictional?
Connected with a particular country?
[INJ] The main animal connection is human.
[Raak] Yes, fictional.
[Tuj] Yes, originated in one particular country.
Is the secondary animal connection human?
[cfm] The secondary animal connection is not human.
St. George?
[Raak] Not St. George (or a dragon as the secondary animal connection, I might add).
Calvin & Hobbes?
[GLogin] Not Calvin and Hobbes.
Created in the last century?
Is the particular country in Europe?
[Tuj] Not created in the last century.
[cfm] The country in question is European.
Sport-related?
[Tuj] Not sport-related
Is the country fictional but based on real one?
Literary?
Connected with religion?
Begins with P?
[Dujon] The country where the abstract entity stems from is not fictional.
[INJ] Yes, could presumbably be construed as "literary".
[jim] Not connected to religion.
[Tuj] Does not begin with "P".
Created in the last millennium?
[jim] Created within the last millenium.
Is the country Britain or a sub country thereof?
[gil] Yes, British.
From film or television programme?
Is the main human connection to an individual (fictional) human?
[Tuj] Not from TV or film.
[jim] Yes, the fioctional human connection is a single individual.
Would this fictional human be described as a hero or heroine?
[CdM] Not a hero or heroine per se, but well known to man, woman and child alike.
Well known internationally?
[cfm] I'd say yes, at least in primarily English-speaking nations.
Are we talking Bow Bells here?
(Dick Whittington and Cat)
[gil] Not Dicky and his feline companion (Dick was not fictional), but you're certainly on the right track vis a vis a specific human and animal association.
Greyfriar's Bobby?
[Software] Nae, laddy. Right animalspecies, wrong guess. I believe Greyfrirs Bobby was not fictional.
A well-known English phrase or saying?
[cfm] Not a "phrase" or "saying" specifically but is universally known, widely read, read aloud or otherwise spoken in the English-speaking world.
Is the remote animal connection sheep?
[Boolbar] No, as noted above, the non-human animal species in question is the same as Greyfriars Bobby; i.e. canine.
When you say "not from TV or film", does that mean that these fictional creations have not been portrayed in these media?
(All the famous fictional dogs I can think of have also been portrayed in film/TV)
Created after 1999?
Just to be completely sure what we mean by "not created in the last century".
[jim] The fictional characters most likely have been portrayed in an ancillary manner in some film or TV show, but were never the stars or central characters of a specific TV show or movie to my knowledge.
[jim] Created (considerably) before 1999.
John Bull?
and his British Bulldog, of course.
Old Mother Hubbard?
[INJ] Not John Bull or his bulldog.
[jim} YES!!! The rhyme "Old Mother Hubbard" it is! A long bone purloined from the infamous cupboard, laying it bare and depriving that lady's poor dog, is handed over to jim in lieu of a baton.
Oh sorry, is it my turn?
OK, let's have an ABSTRACT.
Related to literature?
Life?
[INJ] YES, related to literature, although not exclusively so.
[GL] Related to life, certainly, for without life there would be no (this thing). But if you mean is "life" the AOTC, then NO.
Related to creativity?
[cfm] YES, similarly to "literature" above.
A character in a fictional work?
Related to inspiration?
Imagination?
[INJ] NO, not a character in a fictional work (or if so, it's a very strange work).
[cfm] Borderline, but pretty tenuous in either case.
[gil] NO, not imagination.
Do the words on the card refer to an intellectual process?
Is this something which might be described as a 'skill'?
[cfm] NO, not an intellectual process.
[Dujon] It MIGHT be, but any such description would be VERY tongue-in-cheek.
A human invention?
Does it begin with P?
[Tuj] YES, in so far as it can be termed an invention. A human concept, certainly.
[CdM] NO, does not begin with P.
Is it useful?
[gil] I would have to say YES, it is useful in a sense, although some would disagree.
Was it known about in 1900?
[Boolbar] YES, it was known about in 1900.
Flair?
[Softers] NO, not flair.
Luck?
Was it known 3000 years ago?
[Phil] Alas, no luck.
[CdM] NO, it was not known 3000 years ago.
I think we need to further narrow things down before guessing. All the guesses so far have been pretty wide of the mark. Oh, and re cfm's question above, it is certainly related to an intellectual process, but I couldn't say that it was one.
Is it related to religion?
[Phil] NO, it is not related to religion. (I could make a facetious comment here, but I shall refrain.)
Do we do this every day?
[Software] I expect that very few, if any, people make/do this every single day. Some do more than others. Some pride themselves on never doing it at all.
Could I type this (using both hands) while making/doing it?
Good question
[Boolbar] You can certainly make/do/perpetrate this while typing (with any number of hands); it's possible that you did so while typing your last question, but I think it very unlikely.
Is this typically viewed negatively?
[CdM] I don't know about "typically". It is viewed negatively by many; I suspect most people are actually neutral on the subject.
an entertainment of some sort?
[INJ] NO, not an entertainment of any sort.
A distraction?
Wild guesses are hyperbole and exaggeration...
[Software] It can be distracting, if you encounter one and you are the sort of person who notices such things.
[Giertrud] I'm sure they are; are they YOUR guesses? In which case, NO, not hyperbole or exaggeration, but you are sort of on the right lines.
Rhetoric
Could it be rhetoric?
A figure of speech?
A clue?
Do some people find it offensive?
Is it something to do with punctuation?
Wild guess.
As jim hasn't posted for 5 weeks, do we think someone else should perhaps take up the baton?
Yes. I nominate Phil.
Or will take it up myself if Phil prefers.
Well, I am phenomenally bored at work, so I certainly have the time.
Any objections?
*waits a minute*
Oh well, OK then.
Let's start a new game with

Animal

Is it a panda?
Is it a live animal?
Is it human?
Begins with P?
[Boolbar] Panda? NO
[cfm] Live animal? NO
[Raak] Human? YES!
[Tuj] P? NO
Is he female?
Did this person run a pub not so long ago?
[GL] Female? NO
[Raak] Ex-publican? No, not even a little bit.
Was this now dead person still alive in 1950?
[Boolbar] Now dead confirmation? YES; Alive in 1950? YES
An artist of some kind?
[cfm] An artist? NO
A sporting figure?
Did this gentleman die in April 1955?
European?
Was this now dead person still alive in 2000?
[Raak] Sporting? NO
[Dujon] d. 04/1955? NO
[CdM] European? NO
[GL] Alive in 2000? YES
American?
[Raak] Americano? NO
A politician?
[cfm] Politician? YES *some applause*
A president, prime minister, or other similar leader?
Did they die this year?
[CdM] Leader? YES
[Raak] d. 2012? NO
Oh, and a bit of *applause* for CdM, I would imagine.
Kim Il Sung?
Yassar Arafat?
[Raak] The man that looked at things? NO
[cfm] Yasser-al-briefly-exhumed-Arafat? YES - spot on.
Here, cfm, take this baton that looks rather like a sandy femur.
[Phil] Er...don't you think we should put it back?
Okay, let's try this:

ABSTRACT WITH ANIMAL CONNECTIONS
Connected to a specific human animal?
[CDM] Somebody not anybody? NO
A well known phrase or saying?
Is the animal human?
Did it originate in the Bible?
A human invention?
A work of fiction?
[GL] Just sayin'... NO
[Phil] Only human? YES *Audience applauds in an early-in-the-game sort of way*
[Boolbar] Word of God? NO *A smattering of snickers*
[Tuj] Man/woman-made? YES *Audience applauds again*
[Raak] No resemblance to persons living or dead? NO
Connected with the arts?
[CdM] Art in part? YES. *more applause*
A song?
A book?
Was this invented/created in the last 100 years?
[CdM] Can I hum a few bars? NO
[Phil] Can I turn a few pages? NO *A sustained murmur from the audience*
* [Boolbar] A modern invention? YES *applause*
Is the spoken word involved?
[Raak] Speaking parts? YES *more applause*
A speech made on some occasion?
[Raak] Special occasion? NO
A connection to motion pictures?
[GL] You oughtta be in pictures? NO.
Is it a joke?
Is it a catch-phrase?
[Phil] Is this a joke? NO
[Raak] Here--catch? NO but I am fairly certain the words on the card are well-known among this group.
[Raak] One further comment on your SPECIAL OCCASION question: I still think the best answer to the precise words and spirit of your question is NO. But it bears repeating that there is speech involved with the thing on the card.
Does it originate from a Radio or TV program?
ISIHAC?
[Boolbar] Broadcast first? NO
[Raak] Clueless? NO
To do with a game?
[Raak] Game on? NO
An eaves-dropping?
[Phil] Rain on the roof? NO
[Raak] Another revision. Related to a game, still NO. But the audience *applauds a bit* anyway.
A word?
Does the AOTC have a connection with a particular location?
[Phil] The idea of word? A single word? NO *a ripple of applause nonetheless*
[Boolbar] Here not there? NO
An answer?
[GL] The idea of answer? NO
Was this invented/created in the last 10 years?
[Boolbar] Past decade? NO
Was this invented/created in the last 50 years?
Is the letter W in the AOTC ?
[CdM] Past 50? YES *polite applause*
[Boolbar] Can I have a W? There are two common ways of describing the abstract thing on the card and one of them does include a W, YES. *more applause*
Connected in some specific way with the internet?
So this is connected to the arts, but not to movies, songs, radio, or TV, and is not a book or a work of fiction. (Though the book question elicited a response...)
[CdM] As much as everything is on the internet (including some things one fervently wishes were not), this is connected to the internet. But in a more specifc way, NO.
By the same token, it is also possible that there are movies related to the thing on the card -- just as there are movies about cooking or zombies or Watergate. But I think that is an overly broad interpretation of the question, so my answer stands.
Please refer back to the form of the question on TV. The answer is still NO.
Is there or has there been a TV program with a title that is the AOTC?
[Boolbar] I am aware of one TV program devoted to the thing on the card. I don't know how widely known it is. But the actual title of the show is not comprised of the words on the card. So I guess that is still a NO. Nonetheless *audience applauds encouragingly*
To do with theatre?
[Raak] Take a bow? YES, there is a connection to theater. *applause*
A play?
I am pretty sure the answer is no, but I just want to check.
[CdM] The play's the thing? NO. But you already knew that. :-)
A libretto?
[Phil] Operatic? NO.
A soliloquy?
[Raak] Soliloquy is not the word on the card, NO. But the concept is related. *vigorous applause*
Connected with comedy?
A monologue?
[Boolbar] Stand up and be counted? YES. I would say that there is some connection to comedy. (Though I would add that, like the internet, comedy can be connected to many things.) *more applause*
[Phil] Monologue is not the AOTC, NO. But the concept is again strongly connected. *audience is highly engaged*
*racking my brain*
Does the thing on the card usually involve one person speaking to an audience?
[Boolbar] One and many? Splendid. YES.
[Boolbar] *belated and extended applause*
A TED talk? (or whatever the correct term is for them)?
[Phil] TED-ed? YES, there has been a TED talk on this subject. It is available online. (Also, while TED is not the AOTC, one might argue there is some kinship between the two abstract concepts.) *applause*
Something to do with the giving of awards?
Something to do with the receiving of an award?
[Boolbar] Giving and [Raak] Receiving? In practice, there is frequently a competitive connection. But this is not a necessary component of the abstract concept. *encouraging applause*
A poetry slam?
No, wait a minute -- just one person.
A poetry reading?
[CdM] *considers*
Hmmmm. I can't think of a way to say "no" without seriously misleading the players. So while I actually had in mind the entire genre and not a specific event -- congratulations, YES! The AOTC is Slam Poetry a.k.a. Spoken Word Poetry. *invites CdM up to the mike to say a few very personal words about receiving the baton* :-)
Blimey! I was miles away. Perhaps I will win another day. To CdM I will say well done, and thanks to cfm for so much fun.
That was a surprise; it was a bit of a shot in the dark. OK.
ANIMAL and VEGETABLE
Is the animal element human?
Steak and chips?
Human? No.
Steak and chips? No.
Is the animal element canine?
Doggy? No.
Edible -- at least in the normal course of things?
Is it strongly associated with a particular time of year?
Progress
Edible? Yes.
Associated with a time of year? Yes. *applause*
Associated with summer?
Connected with Christmas?
More specifically...drinkable?
This won't take long
Summer? Perhaps in the Southern Hemisphere
Connected with Christmas? Yes. *applause*
Drinkable? Yes. *sustained applause*
Is there nutmeg involved?
Now you are just toying with me
Nutmeg? Typically, yes.
Is the drinkable thing associated with Christmas potentially intoxicating? :-)
Egg-nog?
Intoxicating? My version certainly is.
Eggnog? YES! One baton with rum and grated nutmeg goes to Gusset Login.
Oh, how unexpected.
The next item is MINERAL
A snowman?
Metal?
Naturally occurring?
Such as, for example, a naturally occurring metal snowman
Gold?
[Raak] snowman? No.
[cfm] Metal? Yes.
[CdM] Natural? No. naturally occurring metal snowman? No.
[Boolbar] Gold? Yes.
One of a kind?
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