mc5 - AVMA Take 2

Does it include the word "of"?

[GL] Your comprehensive answering is appreciated =)

[Chalky] Proverb? No
[Tuj] Includes "of"? No.

[Tuj] Your welcome I didn't want you worrying the wrong end of the stick for too long. It is safe to say if it is at all fictional it did not start out that way.

Is it associated with a particular place?

When the AOTC is made of vegetable, is the vegetable wood?

[Boolbar] A singular geographical association? No
[cfm] Is the vegetable connection wood? Yes

When the AOTC is mineral, is it metal?

[cfm] Is the mineral connection metal? Usually.

Is the vegetable/mineral connection a household item?

[Boolbar] Linked to a household item? No.

Does the AOTC have a nautical connection?

As no one else is guessing, I thought I'd get things moving again.

[Boolbar] Boating Connection? Not that I'm aware of

To summarise: The AOTC is a physical object that has, through association with a phrase or saying, become not fictional but certainly metaphorical to the extent that it can appear on the internet (and not just as a picture). The original object may be/have been made of wood, metal or a combination of both. It is/was not a household object or related to boats and does not begin with P. Both the object and it's usage in the phrase date to before 1900, but it was not used on the internet until sometime later.

If any of the above appears to contradict anything I've said before, then assume my previous answers were accidentally wrong and use the new information.

Is there any connection to fire?

[Tuj] On fire? No

Is the "physical object" larger than a toaster?

[Boolbar] Originally larger than a toaster? No, in at least two dimensions, often all three.

When used as a phrase or saying, does the AOTC generally have negative connotations?

[cfm] Is it generally negative? No.

Is the "physical object" a weapon?

[Boolbar] A weapon? No, or not as such (depending on context)

Does the letter "b" occur in the AOTC ?

Trying a different approach.

[Boolbar] Can I have a B please? Yes

Does it have a sporting connection?

[INJ] Sports? At least two of the contexts I can think of are sporting. Others are not.

Does the saying refer to something worn on one's body?

Are there one or more websites specifically devoted to the AOTC?

[cfm] Worn? No
[CdM] Website(s)? Yes

Is the physical object essentially flat?

Just want to verify something from the last sentence of your excellent summary: are you sure it wasn't used on the internet before 1900?

[CdM] Is it flat? No
[CdM] Are you sure it wasn't used on the internet before 1900? I have found no websites using it with creation dates earlier than 1900, but they may exist.

Does the physical object have a sporting connection?

[Boolbar] Sports? At least two of the contexts I can think of are sporting. Others are not.

Are the sports team sports?

Does the AOTC contain the word "ball"?

Either as a whole word or part of a word.

[cfm] Teaming with sports? Yes
[Boolbar] Pass the ball? No, no "ball"s.

Jolly Hockey Sticks! ?

Does the AOTC refer to a particular piece of sporting equipment?

[INJ] Hockey Sticks? No
[CdM] A piece of equipment? Yes, but that's not the only definition of the AOTC

Is the word "bowl" contained within the AOTC?

[Boolbar] You got a bowl in it? No

Do the sports use a ball?

[INJ] Use a ball? No and not at the same time as the AOTC

Does the letter "k" occur in the AOTC ?

[Boolbar] Does the letter "k" occur in the AOTC? In English? No. In Esperanto, Dutch or Slovak? Yes

Are the sports connected with the AOTC occuring at the 2012 Olympics?

Topical!

[Boolbar] Are the sports in the Summer Olympics 2012? The obvious one is. The other one isn't and if it had been, the AOTC part would likely be omitted.

If no one gets this by Monday morning (BST) I intend to quit and let the first person to say "baton" start a new one.

Does the AOTC have something to do with a Baton?

[Boolbar] A Baton? YES the AOTC is "The Baton" please take this thing off me.

I wasn't expecting that!

Onwards :
ANIMAL

Human?

Unique?

Alive today?.

A flying start.

[cfm] Human? Oh yes.
[CdM] Only one? Oh yes.
[irach] Unkicked bucket? Oh yes.

Did they win a medal at the London 2012 Olympics?

Female?

Bradley Wiggins?

[Gusset Login] Gong? No. *Slight murmur from the audience*
[cfm] Femella? Yes!
[Raak] Ginger sideburns? No.

Disqualified from a medal at the London 2012 Olympics?

[Raak] Gong gone? No.

A competitor at the London 2012 Olympics?

Or failing that an asian badminton player

A medalist at some past Olympics?

[Gusset Login] Going for gold in 2012? No. *A few sniggers from the audience*
[cfm] Old Olympian? No.

Any connection with the 2012 Olympics

[ImNotJohn] 2012 Olympics Yes!

A politician?

Lord Coe?

[Raak] I think you must mean Lady Coe.

[cfm] Politician No.
[Raak] Coe/Coette No.

British?

[ImNotJohn] No. Not British.

A journalist?

Asian?

[cfm] Journalist? No.
[Gusset Login] Asian? Yes! *Audience applause*

Were they disqualified from the 2012 Olympics?

[Gusset Login] Disqualified No. "Not applicable" is a more accurate answer.

A member of the IOC?

[ImNotJohn] IOCilver Lining? No.

Associated with any particular sport?

[Raak] Sporty? No.

Chinese?

[Tuj] Chinese? No.

A busy weekend looming

I have to admit, I don't know why this particular person popped into my head when I picked up the baton. She really shouldn't have been there.

Connected to the Opening Ceremony in London?

[CdM] Yes! *Audience applause*

Madhura Nagendra, the "gatecrasher" with the Indian contingent marchers?

[irach] Yes! She is the answer on my card. I pass you these two batons. I'm not sure where the second one came from.

A lurker's victory this....the next one is ABSTRACT with a main ANIMAL connection, plus another somewhat more remote ANIMAL connection.

Is the main animal connection human?

Fictional?

Connected with a particular country?

[INJ] The main animal connection is human.
[Raak] Yes, fictional.
[Tuj] Yes, originated in one particular country.

Is the secondary animal connection human?

[cfm] The secondary animal connection is not human.

St. George?

[Raak] Not St. George (or a dragon as the secondary animal connection, I might add).

Calvin & Hobbes?

[GLogin] Not Calvin and Hobbes.

Created in the last century?

Is the particular country in Europe?

[Tuj] Not created in the last century.
[cfm] The country in question is European.

Sport-related?

[Tuj] Not sport-related

Dujon

Is the country fictional but based on real one?

Literary?

Connected with religion?

Begins with P?

[Dujon] The country where the abstract entity stems from is not fictional.
[INJ] Yes, could presumbably be construed as "literary".
[jim] Not connected to religion.
[Tuj] Does not begin with "P".

Created in the last millennium?

[jim] Created within the last millenium.

gil

Is the country Britain or a sub country thereof?

[gil] Yes, British.

From film or television programme?

Is the main human connection to an individual (fictional) human?

[Tuj] Not from TV or film.
[jim] Yes, the fioctional human connection is a single individual.

Would this fictional human be described as a hero or heroine?

[CdM] Not a hero or heroine per se, but well known to man, woman and child alike.

Well known internationally?

[cfm] I'd say yes, at least in primarily English-speaking nations.

gil

Are we talking Bow Bells here?

(Dick Whittington and Cat)

[gil] Not Dicky and his feline companion (Dick was not fictional), but you're certainly on the right track vis a vis a specific human and animal association.

Software

Greyfriar's Bobby?

[Software] Nae, laddy. Right animalspecies, wrong guess. I believe Greyfrirs Bobby was not fictional.

A well-known English phrase or saying?

[cfm] Not a "phrase" or "saying" specifically but is universally known, widely read, read aloud or otherwise spoken in the English-speaking world.

Is the remote animal connection sheep?

[Boolbar] No, as noted above, the non-human animal species in question is the same as Greyfriars Bobby; i.e. canine.

When you say "not from TV or film", does that mean that these fictional creations have not been portrayed in these media?

(All the famous fictional dogs I can think of have also been portrayed in film/TV)