mc5 - AVMA Take 2

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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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[CdM] That's a pretty personal question. Can someone consult the rules? Is that allowed?

[CdM] Well, alright. Since no one appears to be troubled by the nature of your inquiry... :-)
YES. I own one.

Is the wooden element a piece of furniture?

[irach] NO. Not a piece of furniture.

Are you male or female?

If it's not a personal question: Are you a virgin?

OK - I'll re-phrase that. Given your reply to CdM - is this more likely to be owned by a male?

... and there's no need to be rude. Trolling isn't tolerated here.

Is it portable?

[Chalky] I believe "Fakename"'s question is inadmissible anyway, since it doesn't refer to the item we're trying to guess.

[Chalky] YES, is my best guess, men own more of these. But I have no statistics and Google isn't helping.
The personal question comment was a joke, you know. :-)
[jim] YES. It is portable.
[Fakename] Fake off.

Is it functional?

(and that's not a personal question)

[CdM] YES, it is functional as opposed to decorative.

An object often carried in a wallet or purse?

Bigger than a toaster?

[Tuj] Between bills and baby pictures? NO.
[CdM] YES. Even a DeLonghi 6-slice.

Is it powered?

A microwave ready meal?

[CdM] YES. Some of these are powered. But some are not.
[Software] NO. See above, it is bigger than a 6-slice toaster.

Is it connected with agriculture or gardening?

Is it propelled on the ground?

A barbeque?

[jim] Seedy reputation? NO. No agricultural connection.
[irach] Moving right along...? NO. Neither the ground nor propulsion are relevant.

[Software] Toss it on the grill... NO. Fire hazard indoors, too. :-)

Would it typically be described as a tool?

[CdM] NO. It would not be described as a tool.

Is it used for recreational purposes?

Is it stationary whilst in use?

[irach] YES. Sometimes. But not in the sports sense of word recreational and it may also be used, in a professional context.
[Gusset Login] YES. Sometimes. But it's never completely immobile.

Does it contain electronic components?

[CdM] NO. Not necessarily. But electronic components may be added to increase its functionality.

A rabbit hutch with optional built-in clock radio and microwave?

[CdM] NO. I think that would constitute a major animal component.

[cfm] I didn't say anything about it containing a rabbit.

Is the wooden bit a handle?

[irach] NO. The object has no handle.

Any musical connection?

[INJ] YES. There is a musical connection.

Is the musical connection a guitar?

Is it a musical instrument?

[INJ] The audience probably should have made a bigger fuss over your last question...but they were really sleepy that night. :-)
[irach] YES. Bingo. *hands irach a rosewood baton with mother-of-pearl inlay*

(Strumming the newly acquired baton while contemplating the next puzzle should be, still wondering what the 'abstract" element in a guitar is)...ah, here goes, the next one is ABSTRACT

A human construct?

[irach] Not presuming to speak for cfm, but s/he specified an abstract connection, which I take to be music/songs.

[irach] What he said. [CdM] What you said.

[cfm] Yes, a human construct.

Connected to geography?

Connected to the arts?

Bigger than a virtual toaster?

Anarcho-syndicalism?

Mark my words, one day it's going to be right.

[Tuj] Tangentially, yes, related to a "geographical" location.
[Raak] Not connected to the arts.
[Software] In the abstract world, if bigger is better, it is better known than any virtual toaster.
{INJ} Drat, not this time around.

Topical?

[irach] I like the toaster answer very much.

Related to a specific belief system?

An organisation?

[INJ] Not related to a belief system.
[Raak] Not an organisation.

Topical?

Does that include the flying toasters that were once ubiquitous on Windows PCs?

[GLogin] Not particularly topical. It would not come up in normal everyday conversations, except perhaps in very select limited circles.
[CdM] Perhaps not, in retrospect.

To do with science?

[Raak] No scientific connection, but perhaps a tangential link to scientific method.

A phrase or saying?

[Software] Not a phrase in the true sense of the word, or a saying.

A sensation?

Related to sport?

[cfm] Not a sensation.
[Tuj] Not sport-related.

A state of mind or emotion?

[cfm] Not a state of mind or emotion.

An activity?

[cfm] Not an activity, but rather a hub of "activity".

A location?

[cfm] Yes, a location.

A unique location or a common location?

Related to economic activity?

[cfm] A unique location.
[CdM] Not related to econmoic activity.

A location in Europe?

[cfm] A location in Europe - "Yes", and no.

Does this location move?

[Raak] The location does not move, it is fixed, but remember, it is in essence ABSTRACT.

Is it defined by its position in relation to other things?

Such as 'the pole of inaccessibility' or 'the centre of the UK'

[ImNotJohn] It is a much more specifically pinpoint-able locale than a place defined by its relationships to other things; yet it is abstract in that it is in fact not a "real" locale. Therefore my earlier answer "Yes" and no about it being located in Europe.

Does it appear in a work of fiction?

Like the Reichenbach Falls

[ImNotJohn] Yes, it does appear in a work of fiction. It is not Reichenbach Falls, but quite a few in the audience clap and nod appreciatively at its mention.

221b Baker Street?

YES, 221b Baker Street it is. See, 'twas elementary, my dear Watsons. It's through sleuthing with proper questioning, not by sheer luck one homes in to the right answer. A calabash pipe, in place of a baton, is handed over to Raak.

The next is VEGETABLE, ANIMAL, and MINERAL.

Does it begin with a P?

Does not begin with a P.

- oh

Is it unique?

Is it edible?

Is it a domestic article?

Is it Groucho Marx (the animal) smoking a cigar (vegetable) an dropping the ashes (mineral)?

[Tuj] Not unique.
[CdM] Inedible.
[INJ] Not really a domestic article.
[irach] Grouchy marks? No.

Is the vegetable paper?

Is the vegetable component wood?

[GL] Not paper.
[irach] The vegetable is wood.

Is the animal component leather?

Bigger than a toaster?

[cfm] Yes, leather.
[Tuj] Bigger than a toaster.

A lacrosse stick?

[cfm] Jolly lacrosse sticks? No.

Is the mineral metal?

[irach] Yes, metal.
What can you make with wood, leather, and metal? Actually, technically I think the animal part is not "leather", but it is skin processed in some way.

An old steamer sea trunk?

"skin processed in some way"? Whoa. Weirdness.

Just sayin....

Related to interment, memorialization?

[irach] Not a trunk.
[cfm] Not six feet under.

Bigger than a phone box?

[CdM] Not bigger than a phone box.

Would one normally find it indoors?

Is it musical?

[jim] Can be indoors or outdoors.
[Tuj] *applause* It is musical.

A concertina?

Oh, hang on, you said it was musical.

[INJ] It is both musical, and not a concertina.

A drum?

A tambourine?

[Tuj] *more applause* It is a drum.
[INJ] But not a tambourine.

Bongo drums?

[irach] Not bongos.

Associated with a particular people or location?

[INJ] Yes, associated with etc.

Bongo druums?

A djembe?

[cfm] Not a djembe.

A Taiko drum?

Is this a drum which is struck with an implement - as opposed to the hand?

A tabla?

[Dujon] Yes, [irach] No, [CdM] su-ku-DON!! YES, a taiko. Have this pair of bachi.

Baci? Yum! *unwraps and eats*
That was not a lucky guess; I just have a long memory :-)
All right, this next one is probably best thought of as ABSTRACT with ANIMAL and VEGETABLE connections, although you might be able to make a case for ANIMAL with ABSTRACT and VEGETABLE connections

Begins with P?

Is it Malcolm's army approaching Dunsinane under cover of foliage cut from Birnam wood?

P-begun? Yes.
Branches of the military? No.

Phrase or saying?

A work of art?

A title of a movie or work of fiction?

A particular recipe?

Phrase or saying? No, or at least only if you adopt a very broad definition of that term.
A work of art? I realise now that I should really say that, as well as being abstract, this has abstract connections. The answer, as I am interpreting it, is not a work of art. The abstract connections include a work of art, although that is unlikely to be helpful.
Title of a movie/work of fiction? Both, as it happens, although that is also unlikely to be helpful. *some applause, but for the question rather than for the answer*
Recipe? No.

Was this invented by a specific person?

A branch of study or learning?

Invented by a specific person? No.
Branch of study? No.

Mythical / legendary?

Mythical/legendary? No.

Appears in a work of fiction?

Is the animal in question human?

Appears in a work of fiction? Undoubtedly in many. The principal abstract connection is also certainly referred to in works of fiction, though I know no specific examples.
Animal in question human? Yes.

As so often seems to happen, I'm finding it hard to give answers that don't mislead, so let me attempt to clarify. The words on the card have a fairly generic sense, and I am taking that as the main definition. However, the words on the card are more notable in reference to a particular abstract connection. Googling reveals that the words on the card have been used as a title for a book, a movie, and a painting, but none of these is the significant abstract connection.

A werewolf?

Werewolf? No.

Does the word "man" appear on the card?

Word "man"on the card? No. *tiny smattering of applause*

Do the words on the card describe a human condition?

Human condition? Not a human condition, but in their generic non-abstract sense, they do describe (an exemplar of) a class of humans.

Is the class of humans distiguished by some physical characteristic?

Physical characteristic? No.

Would this be more applicable to the female of the species?

Reference to angels?

Do the words on the card convey the vegetable element?

More applicable to women? I don't know any statistics but there is no obvious reason to think so.
Angelic? No.
Vegetable element on the card? Yes.

Does the vegetable element begin with P?

A Paper Tiger?

Does vegetable begin with P? Yes.
Paper Tiger? No. *some applause*

Is it only a paper moon?

Is the vegetable element paper?

Is the vegetable element papyrus?

Paper Chase?

Paper Moon? No.
Vegetable = paper? Yes
Papyrus? No.
Paper Chase? No.
Two clues, because I am feeling generous. First, the words on the card describe something less abstract than your guesses. Remember I said that this could also be described as Animal with Abstract/Vegetable connections. Second, the string of letters "paper" does appear on the card, but strictly speaking the word "paper" does not.

pDoes a word beginning with "paper" appear on the card?

pWord beginning with Paper? pYes.

Paperback Writer?

Dear INJ, that baton you took
It took me years to make, won't you take a look

Looks at baton, sees 'Lear' crossed out and 'CdM' written in its place
OK, we'll go for Mineral

Is there only one?

[Phil] Unique? - YES

A monument?

[Software] Monumental? - NO

Does it belong to one person?

[Tuj] Mine, all mine!? - NO

Earthly, terrestrial, or otherwise on this planet?

[irach] Third rockish? - YES

Is there metal involved?

A human artifact?

[cfm] Metal involved - NO, well, only sort of... *audience chuckles*
[Raak] Man-made? - NO

A disputed territory?

[Dujon] Disputed territory? - NO

Uluru?

[GL] Uluru? - NO

Watery?

Is it of substantial scientific interest?

Moving on a bit now

[CdM] Watery? YES - *applause*
[Raak] Scientifically interesting? - NO (IMO)

A lake?

[jim] mere, pond, tarn, inland sea? - NO

A geographical entity?

Begins with P?

[Phil] Geographical entity? - NO (by any reasonable sense of that term)
[Tuj] P......? *audience sits up as one* - NO *audience collapses, deflated*

Is it underground?

[Raak] Underground? - NO
As is traditional at about this point can I suggest you examine your assumptions.

Is the water actually what it is made of?

As opposed to "watery" just being taken to mean wet.

[jim] Made of water? - YES

Is it potable?

A glacier?

Is it located in a specific continent?

A Snowflake?

[Chalky] Drinkable? - NO
[Software] Glacier? - NO but *considerable audience applause*
[Tuj] - In a specific continent? - NO
[GL] Snowflake? - Nice idea, but NO

The Arctic ice cap?

The ice hotel?

The iceberg struck by the Titanic?

Any old iceberg?

An avalanche?

That's the way to do it!

Well - without beating about the bush - CdM is right.
It's the iceberg struck by the Titanic.
The point that people were missing and that I hoped to catch you on was that it no longer exists.
Take this baton before it melts.

MINERAL AND VEGETABLE (and also, by my best guess, ANIMAL, as well as having ANIMAL connections)

A manufactured thing?

Manufactured? Yes.

Begins with P?

Larger than the toaster size standard ?

Begins with P? Need you ask? Yes.
Bigger than a toaster? Yes.

Unique?

Partly made of wood?

Unique? No.
Partly wooden? Yes.

Is the mineral metal?

Is it a weapon?

Is it a vehicle?

Is it a tool?

Is it musical?

Metal? In part, yes
A weapon? No.
A vehicle? Yes *applause*
A tool? No.
Musical? No.

Is this 'vehicle' something that travels on water?

Aquatic? No.

Does it fly?

Is it more than 50 years old?

Aeronautic? No. (A few audience members, who chuckled quietly at the notion of this being aquatic, find this question even more amusing.)
More than 50 years old? Yes (although there are modern versions).

Is is restricted to a track?

A rickshaw?

Does it run on animal power?

A Phaeton?

On rails? No.
Rickshaw? No.
Animal powered? Yes (though not the more modern versions)
Phaeton? No. *smattering of applause* (but only a smattering; don't get too carried away)

Plough?

Plough? No.

Is the answer a form of public transport?

On the buses? No.

Is it a vehicle primarily for carrying goods?

Primarily for goods? Yes. *applause*

Ox-cart type of thingy?

Pantechnicon?

A milk float?

A Pantechnicon (or more precisely, a Pantechnicon van, which is what the original horse-drawn vehicles of the Pantechnicon company were called) is the correct answer. Would you like us to store this baton for you, or should we deliver it?

When do you want me to email you the answer?

Well, this is getting a bit embarrassing. But, since I had already thought of pantechnicon when I asked my penultimate question, I don't feel sufficiently awkward about setting another one.
So, the next one is MINERAL, with some Abstract connections

Unique?

Metal?

Whitney Houston's coffin?

Begins with P?

[Raak] Only one? - NO
[Phil] Metallic? - YES
[Dujon] The last resting place...? - NO (one of these days the pin in the encyclopedia method is going to work, but not today)
[Tuj] Pfirst? - Why, YES

A phone box?

[jim] The oeuvre of G G Scott? - NO

A ubiquitous object?

Bigger than a phone box?

Which was what I was going to ask first, but I thought I'd cut to the chase :)

[cfm] Can't get away from it? - NO
[jim] - Dimensionally excessive K2-wise? - NO

A toaster?

[Software] The other toaster question - NO

Naturally occurring?

A tool of some kind?

[Raak] Naturally Occurring? - NO
[jim] A tool? - NO

A decorative object?

[cfm] Ooh, innit pretty? - NO (though it/they may be found attractive by some)

Associated with a particular country?

Mass-produced?

Does it have moving parts?

[Tuj] One country? - YES
[CdM] Mass-produced? - YES
[Raak] moving bits? - NO

Is it a model of something?

[Raak] A model? - NO

A bell?

[Raak] Belly? - NO
As a help, I can expand on my particular country answer to Tuj. They are/were associated with and produced in one country, but have/had a wider presence.

Still mass-produced?

[Phil] Still in production? - NO (Thank you - that'll make it easier for me to write comments and clues)

Does the answer contain a brand or company name?

[jim] Branded? - NO (Well, actually, I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that it has been used as a brand name at some point somewhere, but that won't help you)

Smaller than a toaster?

[Phil] The first toaster question? - YES, smaller
In looking up the answer to jim's question I discovered this had been used as the name of an album, a book and a shop amongst other things but I can't see that helping much.

Associated with a European country?

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