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Animal-Vegetable-Mineral-Abstract: The Pants Memorial Game
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The chairperson selects an object/idea/whatever and announces whether it's animal, vegetable, mineral, and/or abstract. The others have to ask questions to figure out what it is. Whomever guesses the object correctly is given the chair for the next round; repeat ad nauseam.
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A magic spell?
ah...Raak may have pre-empted my next line of questioning ... is it Black Magic?
I don't have a suggestion
[Snodgrass] I happen to like that programme!
backtracking in realisation
Not that believe it all, you understand!
Voodoo ?
[ZK] Sorry, no offence intended. I quite enjoy it too, in small measure, but the histrionics do rather detract from what might, otherwise, be a serious attempt to uncover something we understand little about. Did you watch the celebrity version last weekend?
[Brendan] Yes.
[Raak] Nope.
[Chalky] Not that either.
[Snodgrass] Nope. How do you have a celebrity ghost-chasing programme? Were they hunting Elvis, James Dean, Buddy Holly etc?
Is it re-incarnation ?
[Breadmaster] The celebs were doing the hunting - or more accurately staying 2 nights in a spooky castle and having the willies put up them so to speak (but thats one for a different channel I expect). You know, I'm a Celebrity - Get 8 shades of wos'name out of me!
I despair of modernity...
[Snodgrass] Nope.
[Snodgrass] Sadly not, as I only have Sky when I'm living at home.
Transubstantiation?
is it Hell?
Valhala?
The Holy Spirit?
Is the afterlife in question the Christian one?
Nirvana?
Purgatory?
Would a river be pertinent?
[Raak] No.
[all] No.
[GL] No.
[Brendan] No.
[Kim] No.
[Raak] No.
[Dujon] It wouldn't.
Don't get too hung up on the afterlife thing - it's only related to it.
Is it a Philosophy?
[GL] It might be, depending on how you define "philosophy".
Is it a fear?
[Inkspot] No.
Is it a religion?
[all] A breakthrough! Yes.
Catholicism?
blimey - I thought we'd eliminated the 'religion' thing ages ago - perhaps I just imagined it!
[Chalky] No. No, I was surprised no-one tried that earlier, but they didn't...
Buddism?
Islam?
I meant buddhism, obviously
A religion is a philosophy, unless your a fanatic.
[GL] No. There's more to religion than philosophy, though - it is a sociological phenomenon which may include a philosophy, but also other things such as liturgy. I think.
[all] Nope.
theophobia?
[Inkspot] No, but I'd love to know more about the Theophobic Church...
Does it profess to be some variety of the Christian religion?
[Raak] It does not.
Scientology?
[BM]The basis of all religion is a philosophy, which is also the most important part of the religion. It's easy to quote (for example) the Bible but very few of those that do make any effort to love their fellow man.
[GL] Of course, it depends on what you mean by "philosophy". But if you mean ethics, I still say that's only one element of religion, and not necessarily the most important part: for example, Jesus taught ethics, but he seems to have been more interested in eschatology. One should always be very wary of saying things like "the essence of all religions is X" because religions are rather complex things that vary greatly.
Oh yes. No.
Is it monotheistic?
[Raak] Largely, but it's a matter of some debate.
Is it Hindu?
[BM] Philosophy generally means an outlook or set of beliefs that underpin your thinking. An ethical philosophy is only one example of this cynical philosophies have more appeal but are less used by religions. But all religions are in essence telling people how they should think (not what they should think, just how).
Eschatology is part of the philosophy of most religions
[GL] It is not.
I take your point, although I think you're defining "philosophy" a little loosely.
Was it founded in the last 200 years?
[Brendan] Nope.
Sikhism?
Philosophy
noun: any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation (Example: "Self-indulgence was his only philosophy")
noun: the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
noun: a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school
[GL] Still so.
By which I meant, of course, still no.
Is it a brand of islam?
Judaism?
[all] No.
[GL] No.
Is it extant?
It it a associated with the far east?
Is it Zen?
[Raak] It is.
[Inkspot] Not the far east, no.
[GL] It is not.
Just confirm it's from the middle east? but not connected with Islam?
[GL] Two questions shock! Yes, it is from the Middle East, and there may be connections with Islam, but if so I think they're likely to be pretty indirect.
It can only be a matter of time now.
Was it founded by a swordsman called Zoro his adventures later being made into numerous films?
[Inksopt] No, but it should have been, hence...
Is it Sufism? -Apologies for joining in so abruptly
[Phahad] Feel free to join in, but no - it's not Islam, remember.
Is it popular outside the middle east?
[Gusset] If this religion is defined a little broadly, I believe that today it does have more adherents outside the Middle East than it has within it.
Taoism?
[all] No.
You know, I really think Inkspot will get it...
Zoroastrianism?
(I may have spelt that wrong)
Zoroism?
simulpost....and Brendam beat me to it *laughs*
I meant BrendaN of course *laughs again*
[Brendan] YES! And I believe you spelt it entirely correctly.
Having recently had a go, I'm entirely happy to cede in favour of either Inkspot, who clearly had it and was just messing around, or Chalks, who I simulposted. That said, I do have a particularly silly idea for a round ... I'll leave it a few hours and if neither of those two starts one I will.
Pah! I'd have won it if it hadn't been for those pesky kids!
applause and cheers
A good win and well set by the Breadmaster.
Silly idea
OK, then, my silly idea: bifurcated AMVA. I've got two separate "objects" in mind which can be referred to by the same word(s). Hence, for each question I'll give two answers, one for the first object and one for the second, eg "Is it made of wood?" "Yes/No" Hope that makes sense.
So, the objects are ANIMAL/ANIMAL.
Is it a quagga?
Leaf?   OK, just a mad guess.   :-(
However, is that the idea, Brendan?
Is either human?
An interesting conceit!
A mammal?
Bigger than a Coconut?
[Raak] No/no.
[Dujon] No/no.
[Bm] Yes/Yes.
[Inkspot] Yes/Yes (see above).
[Snodgrass] Yes/Yes. (Unless it's a giant mutant coconut you have in mind)
Are they particular humans (as opposed to a type, job, class etc)?
Interesting - looks like we have two people with the same name, or perhaps similar titles?
Is the name for either an occupation?
[Breadmaster] Yes/Yes
[snorgle]No/No
Are they male?
Are they still alive?
Englebert Humperdinck?
Are they British?
[Breadmaster] Yes/Yes.
[Raak] Yes/No.
[Bigsmith] No. (Good guess though!)
[Inkspot] Yes/No.
Male?
[Brendan] Thanks, I thought it an apt guess after his/their appearance in an earlier game!
Jerry Hall?
One's an American model, the other an Irish guy I used to work with.
Obviously not as neither are British, and both are still alive - sorry, somehow transposed the answers in my tiny mind...
Are they nobility?
[Bigsmith] Er, yes and the male I already answered to Breadmaster's last Q.
[Breadmaster] Ooh, excellent question! No/Yes
Winston Churchill?
Is the Dead one the Noble one?
[Brendan] I can assure you that my coconuts are not mutant or deformed in any way!
(Bod No2) Is he an American?
Are they actors?
Assuming that Brendan always refers to them in the same order, it looks like one is alive, British, and not noble, while the other is dead, not British, and noble. I think.
[Raak] No.
[Snodgrass] Yes. (FWIW, I'm maintaining consistency -- ie there is a distinct Left-Hand-Side object and a distinct Right-Hand-Side object.)
[Inkspot] No/No.
[Breadmaster] No/No. Your summary is spot on.
Is he a singer?
Are they remembered as a duo, ie. were they 'connected' before one of them died?
Are we talking 'leaders of nations' here?
[Brendan] Quite how someone can be Noble without being British is quite difficult to comprehend - Xenophobia Rules OK!
Supp to above:. Leader in a Sporting field?
Political?
Writer?
Royalty?
[GL] Yes, but not just that/No (see below though)
[Chalky] No.
[Snodgrass] Not remotely/Not quite
[Snodgrass] No/No
[Snodgrass] No/No
[Breadmaser] It would be misleading to say Yes, but Yes, in a manner of speaking/No
[Raak] No/Yes
Observation/Hint: There seems to be an implicit assumption in some of these questions that the sum total of people involved is two. This is not the case.
Are either of the subjects a single person (ie a solo subject not just unmarried)
Did they die before 1900?
Obviously this only applies to the dead one
[Snodgrass] No/Yes
[Gusset] No/No
Were either of the named Rasputin?
Did they die before 1950?
[Gusset] No/No
[Breadmaster] No/Yes
Is the currently alive one a pop group?
[Raak] Yup.
Has the pop group been around for more than twenty years?
...otherwise I'll never have heard of it.
Do they have a song in the current UK Top 40?
Austrian Archduke?
[Raak] No.
[GL] Not at this precise moment in time, but they have relatively recently.
[Inkspot] No/Yes! (You've got it, haven't you?)
Franz Ferdinand?
[Gusset] Correct. It was indeed Franz Ferdinand (current flavour of the millisecond with the NME) on the LHS, who are named after Franz Ferdinand (Austrian Archduke and famous casue of WWI) on the RHS. Congratulations, and over to you!
I didn't know it was a pop group
Anyway, hmm... ANIMAL (with ABSTRACT connections)
Fictional?
[BM] Yes.
Of human form?
[Chalky] I assume you mean is it human? No
Is it a person?
[BM] That depends how you define person. I know someone who considers there pet cat to be a person.
I mean "their pet cat"
Is it an animal that talks?
Pesky line-managers!
[Inkspot] It talks after a fashion, but the term animal may be misleading.
Does it communicate telepathically?
[Brendan] No.
Is it known from appearing in a particular story?
[Inkspot] Yes, but it also appeared in the sequel(s)
Aslan?
[Bren] No
Is it a kind of animal that really exists?
[BM] No.
Is the author still alive?
Is it a dragon?
[Inky] Author may be the wrong word, but... Yes
[Bren] No
Is the work of fiction a film?
[Brendan] Yes.
Is it a character from Star Wars?
[Inkspot] Yes.
is it a cartoon character?
drat - simulpost. I've just wasted a question
Is it Jar Jar Binks?
In which case, may God have mercy on your soul for reminding us of that execrescence!
Chewbacca?
that ChewBacca thingy?
another bleedin' simulpost...sorry Inks!
[Chalky] no
[BM] Thankfully not
[Inkspot] Yes
[Chalky] Rwwwar!
Well Done Inkspot
Thank you Gusset Login for a great AMV for a Friday Afternoon.

eyes down looking ... MINERAL

Is it man-made?
I have released any of my AMVs to the public, or do you mean AVMA? 8)
A household implement?
Some day I'll get Broadband, then I can devote more attention to quicker-fire games like this... But it's so nice just to read the pages that happen in between and how an idea is pursued and grasped betwixt-times!
Gusset Login] No ....must remember, less haste more speed ;)
Tuj]No
Is it a geographical feature?
Raak]Yes
Is it in the UK?
[Raak] nice one!
Chalky] Yes
England?
Somerset?
Not thinking of anything in particular
Scotland?
Chalky]No
Tuj]No
Breadmaster]No
...and hence it is in...
The Channel Islands?
Raak]No ;)
The Giants Causeway?
Just a stab in the dark. Well its sunny now but you know what I mean!
Snodgrass]No ...sunny? not here its high winds and showers.
Snowdon?
Raak] YES .... Mount Snowdon it is ... and in just ten guesses!

Huge round of applause

The next object is MINERAL, with ABSTRACT connections.
"There is no spoon?"
I think that last one would've been less than 10 if it wasn't for me, but hey, let's make a mess while we can!
[Tuj] No, there is no spoon.
Does it contain metal?
[Bm] No.
Is it larger than a coconut?
No I don't know why that is my yardstick either!
Is it fictional?
[Snodgrass] Yes.
[Bm] The abstract connection is its appearance in fiction, but it also exists in reality.
Man-made?
[Brendan] No.
Does it contain rock or stone?
[Bm] No.
Metal?
[Snodgrass] No.
Is it a solid state object?
[Inkspot] No.
Is it on the Earth?
Is it a liquid?
[Brendan] Yes, and no doubt on some other planets as well, but there's no-one around to see it.
[Inkspot] Partly.
Does it contain water?
[Bm] Yes.
Does it contain ice?
Does it contain more than trace amounts of anything other than water?
[Gusset L] It could, but the typical one doesn't.
[Brendan] Yes.
Does it have a use?
Is mud involved?
Is it an atmospheric phenomenon?
[Chalky] No.
[Gusset Login] No, although it might be a side-effect.
[Bm] YES! A breakthrough!
Is it rain?
cloud?
[Kim] Rain is a major part of it.
[snorgle] Cloud, too.
A hurricane?
Is the fictional connection one specific work?
[snorgle] No.
[Brendan] It includes one specific work.
A tornado?
Twister?
A thunderbolt?
Is the significant part of it that isn't water, made of dead vegitation?
Since both clouds and rain are made of water
Is it the tornado that took Dorothy Gale to Oz?
[GL] No.
[Chalky] No.
[Software] No.
[all] No.
[Bm] No.
Can you confirm this summary?
It's an atmospheric phenomenon
Contains more than a trace of something that isn't water
Contains nothing man-made
Does not contain any metal, rock, stone or wood
Is used in fiction
Is found on earth, but may exist elsewhere
[GL] Spot on.
The Northern Lights?
A Rainbow?
[Chalky] No.
[GL] No.
Is it the title of a play?
[Inkspot] Not that I know of.
Is it likely to be dangerous?
An interesting conundrum from Raak here... Good stuff!
[Bm] Can easily be.
Does it occur all over the world?
[Inkspot] I believe it can happen in most places. More in some than in others.
Is the specific fictional work a film?
Is it a thunderstorm?
Is it a snowstorm?
A whirlpool? El Niño?
well, the sea contains more than trace elements of something other than water...
[Brendan] No.
[Chalky] applause from audience That could be part of it.
[Darren] silence from audience That could be part of it as well, but it's probably not what you would first think of.
[ZK] No.
Is it a monsoon?
Is it a name for an extreme weather condition?
[Brendan] No.
[Inkspot] Not a name, and not all that extreme.

A hint about the fictional connection: there are actually two fictional connections: one a specific work which mentions it, and the other a body of fictional work in which it recurs from time to time.

The Jet Stream?
Acid rain?
[S] No.
[GL] No.
Thinking some more about the "more than trace amounts of something that isn't water," is this something Fortean like a shower of fish?
Is it about seeing clearly now that the rain has gone?
Weather [aka Climate]??
Singing in the Rain?
[Darren] No.
[GL] Quite the reverse.
[S] No.
[all] No.
The Calm before the storm?
Does it contain anything else apart from water and air?
(assuming that air is at least part of the non-water content)
The eye of the storm?
[GL] No.
[Brendan] No. Air is indeed the non-water part.
[Bm] No.

Ok, so it's established that storm is a significant part of it.

The Perfect Storm
[Snodgrass] No.
St Elmo's Fire?
Not really to do with air and water so much as electricity, but frankly, my flum is utterly moxed at this point.
[Brendan] No.
Trust me, you'll all know exactly what it is, and recognise its fictional appearances, when the answer is revealed.
The / A Tempest?
I don't know about flummoxed I haven't got a Clooney hence the frantic straw clutching with a perfect storm.
The specific fictional work was it written before 1940?
see if this will clear the fog a little.
Is a property of the general class of fictional works that they're set at sea?
[Snodgrass] No.
[Inkspot] Yes.
[Brendan] No.
April Showers?
Bermuda Triangle?
The fictional work referred to previously - is this a song?
[GL] No.
[Chalky] No.
[Darren] No.

Time for a hint?

Does the answer appear in the title of the work?
Raak]How about a one or two more questions on the source of the work, followed by a hint.
Is the fictional work pre-1850?
Is the fictional work by a man?
Fog?
[Inkspot] No.
[Brendan] Yes.
[Darren] Yes.
[snorgle] No.
The answers to Brendan and Daniel refer to the specific fictional work, not the body of fictional work, for which the answers would be No and Yes.
Daniel?!
Is the fictional work/body of work pre-1500?
I must admit I'm running out of questions here. Fiendish problem-setting from Raak and a good puzzle.
Is the fictional work European in origin?
[Darren[ Oops, sorry.
[Bm] No/No.
[Darren] Yes (but the fictional body of work isn't).

Hint: The fictional work is a novel, and the fictional body of work is a cartoon strip.

(novel)Was it written after 1900?(cartoon) did it appear in a comic?
Is it a dark and stormy night?
(in which case, I'm assuming the cartoon strip is Peanuts ...)
[Inkspot] No/No.
[Brendan] YES, it is a dark and stormy night!
Excellent puzzle, Raak!
OK, let's have an ANIMAL.
Is it a shaggy dog?
Continuing the dark and stormy night theme and the 'wouldnt send a dog out on a night like this' idea
[Snodgrass] Sadly not.
Is it human?
Is it a specific individual?
[GL] No.
[Raak] No.
Is it a fish out of water?
Is is mammalian?
[GL] No.
[Kim] No.
Is it a reptile?
Is it extinct?
Is it a bird?
Is it indiginous to a particular continent?
Raak] A wonderful candidate for Limited Short Stories sometime. The opening chapter of Paul Clifford by Edward Bulwer-Lytton.
Is it an insect?
[GL] No.
[all] Yes!
[Raak] No.
[Inkspot] No.
[Kim] No.
Is it a fish?
In the water this time
Is it a Tasmanian Wolf?
Did it live between 225 and 65 million years ago?
Is it a single celled organism?
[GL] No.
[all] Nope.
[Inkspot] Nuh uh.
[R.J.F.] It is not.
Is it a virus? (since they don't really have cells)
Did it become extinct during recorded history?
A Sabre Toothed Tiger
Is/was it fictional?
Did it live between the present and 65 million years ago?
[Darren] No.
[Raak] No.
[Snodgrass] No.
[GL] No, entirely real. I'm not even aware of any famous appearances in fiction.
[Inkspot] Good question: no.
Did it live underwater?
Summarising...
Animal, but not a bird, fish, reptile, insect, mammal, single-celled organism, or virus. Not indigenous to any particular continent. Went extinct more than 225 million years ago.
Was it a vertebrate?
[GL] Yes.
[Raak] An accurate summary, and no.
Was it amphibian?
A trilobite?
[Inkspot] No.
[Raak] Correct!
Gosh, er, let's see....

ABSTRACT, with VEGETABLE connections

Is it fictional?
Standard opening.
[Bm] No.
Is it something which can be an attribute of a human?
Is it a song title?
[Darren] No.
[Dujon] No.
Is it connected with environmental issues?
[Raak, Brendan] well played on both the 'setting' and 'guessing' - wish I had the opportunity to participate more this week :-(
Is it a human concept?
Standard opening number two.
Is the vegetable connection something to do with food?
Is it a well known phrase or saying?
Is the vegetable a fruit?
I shoudl revise the description to say it can be either ABSTRACT with VEGETABLE connections or VEGETABLE with ABSTRACT connections. And the VEGETABLE might include ANIMAL as well, depending.

[Chalky] No.
[Bm] Yes (this applies to the possible ANIMAL part as well).
[Darren] Yes.
[GL] No.
[Inkspot] No.

Is it a turnip for the books?
Is the vegetable connection, a vegetable?
Is it an amusingly-shaped vegetable/fruit?
[RJF] No.
[Inkspot] No.
[Chalky] No.
Is it a name of something a man made to be eaten?
eg a birthday cake.
Is the vegetable a forest?
[Inkspot] Yes.
[GL] No.
An easter egg?
[Inkspot] No.
A simnel cake?
Very seasonal.
[Software] No. And the mystery object isn't seasonal.
Is it associated with a particular country?
Does it involve chocolate?
Is it a chocolate orange?
Is it a type of pie?
[Inkspot] Not very strongly.
[all] No.
[GL] No.
[Darren] No.
Is it associated with a particular part of the day?
[Inkspot] No.
Is it a drink?
Is it boiled?
Blame the last question on the cup of tea, it wanted a mention.
[Inkspot] No, hence also, no.
The Gingerbread Man?
[GL] No.
Does it involve eggs?
[GL] All the recipes I found through Google do (which was a surprise to me, but I know little of how they are made).
Is it nomally eaten hot?
Rakk]A hen lays them! :p
Is normally frozen?
[Inkspot] So do ducks and most lizards
[Inkspot] No.
[GL] No.
Does it involve flour?
Is it a confectionary?
GL]and there was me being deliberatley obtuse over a form of words that tickled my funny bone ... simple pleasures for a Friday morning (hens don't lay recipes.)
Is it a cake?
[Inky] Duck and lizards do lay recipes. If you feed them right
[Brendan] Yes.
[Inkspot] Not really, although one might classify it as such.
[GL] It's closer to cake than confectionery.
Bread of some sort?
Is it a combination of different foods?
[GL] It is about as closely related to bread as it is to cake.
[Kim] No.
Does it contain cream?
[Inkspot] It can. At least, the concrete version can, the abstract one can't.
Does it involve pastry?
Is it a pancake?
Ambrosia?
Pardon my second guess here, but is it Pancake Day?
[GL] No.
[Darren] No.
[Chalky] No.
[Darren] No.

I'm going to be away all of tomorrow and some of Sunday, so let's see this one solved today.

Is it a type of cookie/biscuit?
[GL] No. Of the things mentioned, it's most like cake, a little less like bread or pancakes, somewhat less like a cookie/biscuit or pastry, and least like confectionery. It has this in common with pancakes, though, that you can combine it with pretty much anything else. And don't forget the abstract part, which is nothing to do with any festival or work of fiction.
Does the 'Abstract' element have a mythological/religious connection?
This is tricky because it seems we're guessing on two fronts.
Ah - simulpost. It seems you read my mind, Raak.
Is this something like tofu?
[Chalky] The abstract element is part of, or an aspect of, the concrete thing.
[Darren] No. This is something that is not only edible, but one would want to eat.
Well - I was thinking along the lines of Manna from Heaven or something like?
[Chalky] No, you can buy these everywhere, or make them yourself. Nothing supernatural involved.
Gingerbread men?
That doesn't satisfy the "you can combine it with anything" though.
[Darren] No.
Marmite Soldiers?
[Chalky] No.
does it contain fruit?
scones?
(though I'm not aware of any great abstraction attached to them)
Just got back this Sunday afternoon.
[metherer] It can.
[Brendan] No.
Another hint? The abstract version of this is the absence of the concrete version.
Fortune Cookies?
[Chalky] No.
Is the abstraction Douglas Adams-related?
Marzipan?
[Brendan] No. Nothing to do with any person or book.
[Chalky] No.
Does the concrete version contain a place name?
[Dazed5] No. The name of both versions refers to nothing but what the thing is.

I just checked that I didn't miss someone getting the right answer. I can't believe this is taking so long. I notice that I said it could be combined with anything, but I'm not sure that's true; it can certainly be combined with anything sweet.

A quiche or flan base?
A trifle?
A Gateaux?
[Inkspot,Darren,GL] No.
A bit of Crumpet?
[Inkspot] No. As far as I know, this thing does not appear in any figurative expression.
Muffin?
The words "Straws" and "Clutching" spring to mind
[GL] No.
I'll be away on a business trip from Wednesday afternoon to the end of the week. If no-one's got it before then, I'll just have to declare victory and reveal the answer.
Doughnut?
Wild screaming, clapping, cheering, and orgies in the aisles. Civilisation has risen once more, and soon, there will be lemon-scented paper tissues, and their flight can depart after a brief delay of 10,000 years.
[GL] Nearly there. What abstract thing is associated with a doughnut?
The doughnut hole?
[GL] !!!YES!!! Doughnut holes, referring both to the hole in the ring, and little blobs of doughnut fashioned as if cut out from the hole in the ring.
And you wonder why it took so long for people to guess?

Nevermind. The next item is ANIMAL.

Is it a mammal?
A long time to guess but it was a good conundrum.
Human?
[Inkspot] Yes
[Software] Yes
alive?
[sadie] No
Was english their main language?
[sadie] Yes
Male?
Sir Peter Ustinov?
Did he write a great many letters from America?
He's dead as well? Damn.
[Ink] Yes
[sade] No
[Raak] It's certainly not what he's famous for.
So... he might have written a number of letters from America?
[sadie] Was that a question? or a comment?
Did he die within this century?
Taking the view, for the sake of disambiguating, that the century started with 2000. It was merely a comment. With a question mark.
[sadie] No
Did he visit America?
Was he, in fact, American?
[sadie] He spent sometime in America
[BM] Yes
Was he born before America became independent?
Was he best known as an author?
[Bren] Yes.
[Inkspot] No
Abraham Lincoln?
[Software] See my answer to Brendan's question (independent - 1776. Lincoln born - 1809)
In other words, No.
Benjamin Franklin?
[Bren] No
Was he a publisher?
Was he of strictly European descent?
[Ink] I can find no reference to him having ever been a publisher
[sadie] As far as I can tell.
George Washington
It can't be that easy unless GL is feeling sorry after the last saga!
[Snodgrass] No
Caucasian appearance?
Was he ever president?
Are we talking present day USA? as oposed to the Americas in general?
Was he born before 1700?
[Snodgrass] Yes
[sadie] Yes
[Snodgrass] We're talking North America
[Inkspot] No
Thomas Jefferson
[sadie] No
James Maddison?
There's only so many it can be.
[sadie] I thought it would take a little longer than that for anyone to get it.
YES
It was Maddison 4th President of the USA and the first to be forced out of the White House during his first term. (The British burnt it down)

Very well, over to you sadie

Yay! Okay, now i've got a VEGETABLE for you.
Is it a turnip shaped like a thingie?
[Gusset] No.
Edible?
Is it something that has been man-made?
[Snodgrass] yes [Inkspot] yes
Does it involve eggs?
[Gusset] Not that i know of
Is it made from wood?
[Inkspot] No
Does it involve citrus fruit?
[Gusset] No
Is it a drink?
Does it contain more than one vegetable?
[all] Not generally, but i expect somebody out there is wierd enough.
[Software] Yes
Is it marmite?
Or Vegemite?
[all] Yes.
Marmite it is.
OK let's hope this proves harder. ANIMAL with ABSTRACT connections.
Is is fictional?
[sadie] Yes, that is the abstract connection
Is it part of some religious mythology?
Is it a dragon of some sort?
[sadie] No
[Raak] No
Is there a single fictional work (or closely-related set of fictional works) from which it comes?
[Brendan] Depending on your definition of "closely-related", Yes
Is it a fictional human being?
More than 2 legs?
Is the source pre-1950?
Does it's name begin with an L?
Is this closely-related set of fictional works all by the same author?
Is it Tinga and Tucka?
OK 40 somethings have wierd time warping memories. So sue me!
Is it a specific fictional animal belonging to a real Earth species?
Is it from a Marvel or DC comic book?
[GL] Yes
[Snodgrass] No
[Brendan] No
[Tuj] No
[Raak] Yes
[Snodgrass] Who? No.
[Darren] Yes, see above
[Inkspot] No
Less than 2 legs?
Who doesnt remember (Auntie) Jean Morton and her cuddly Koalas Tinga and Tucka? Shame on you! [Kids TV - 1960's]
[Snodgrass] No, and I wasn't born until 1979.
Female author?
Male author?
Female? (the fictional human)
[Inkspot] No
[GL] Yes
[Brenda]n No
J R R Tolkien?
[all] sorry about that. The 1979 bit I mean - you missed a great couple of decades there!
Is it adult fiction?
Snodgrass]One of the few children's tv with animals during 60's (other than Animal Magic) that I watched was Daktari with a cross eyed lion.
Is the fiction set in the real world?
[Snodgrass] No. I also missed a pretty reasonable couple of centuries
[Inkspot] Depending on your definition of "adult fiction". It is not adult in the sense that pornography is adult, but it is aimed at an audience that would be refered to as adults. Although of course it isn't entirely unsuitable for children.

I'll say Yes to make it simpler.
[BM] No
Is he the primary or title character of the set of works?
[saddie] Of his appearences in the set of works, only one was as anything other than the main character of the specific work.
Is it written in the science-fiction genre?
drawing a thin line between SF and fantasy novels.
[Inkspot] No
Is the fiction set on some version of Earth?
To clarify: the fictional worlds of Star Trek and Mad Max are both set in versions of Earth, whereas those of Star Wars and Narnia aren't.
[sadie] No, most 'alternate' Earth stories would be on the SF side of Inkspot's line.
Are the set of works books, or were they originally?
[sadie] Mostly
Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler
In the same vein, Rincewind?
[Inkspot] No. He wasn't usually/ever the main character
[sadie] Not you again, Yes. it was Rincewind the Wizzard star of several Discworld novels and two computer games

Damn.
I have to think of something now.
Alright, people. Have yourselves a... MINERAL
Is it man-made?
Is it bigger than a phonebox?
[Gusset Login] Yes [all] Than a... yes, you freak of nature, you.
Is it made from more than one different material?
Stonehenge?
Shot in the dark, well its much bigger than a phone box and it will look lovely when its finished.
[Inkspot] Yes
[Snodgrass] No, but interesting guess. And in a wierd way, they are even connected...
Is it in the UK?
[Gusset Login] No
Is it in Europe?
[all] I think i can safely say no, it is nowhere in Europe.
Is it in Africa?
Is it made of stone?
[all] No, it's not in africa either
[Gusset Login] No
Is it a monument?
[Inkspot] No, but there are monuments to it
Is it made of metal?
[all] Yes, largely
Is it in America?
[Gusset] Not any more
Is it on Earth?
[Breadmaster] Nope.
Did leave Earth or get destroyed after 1990?
Is it a space probe?
[R.J.Fakename] No, earlier
[Inkspot] Not a probe.
Is it a Lunar Module from one of the Apollo moon (alleged) landings
Ooo, Controversial
or the Lunar Buggy from 15, 16 or 17?
[Snodgrass] Yes [the other Snodgrass] No, not a buggy
Apollo 11?
Are we trying each one in turn then?, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17?
Yes, it was the lander from Apollo 11, also known as The Eagle.
OK, lets try a bit of Animal
Is it human?
[all] Oh Yes!
Is it Soylent Green?
or however you spell it
Are they dead?
Is this a whole human or a part of a human?
[GL] No [all] Yes [Darren] Yes - a whole human (I'm feeling generous)
Fictional?
[Tu] No
European?
[Brendan] No
Male?
[Darren] Yes
Was he born before 1900?
[Inkspot] Yes
Was he born before 1800?
Politician/statesman?
[Darren] No
[Brendan] No
Australian?
Asian?
American?
[Inkspot] No
[BM] No
[all] Yes
Inventor?
a native American?
Writer?
President?
Ernest Hemingway?
[Brendan] No
[Inkspot] Yes (as in born there)
[BM] No
[all] No
[all again] Also No
Was he a Texan?
Snodgrass]A native american is more than having been was born there, more can be found here. Is the answer still Yes.
Did he die violently?
Really, "native American" should mean someone who was born there. The people who actually get called native Americans ought to be called "indigenous Americans", I'd have thought. Just goes to show that Americans don't know what words like "native" actually mean.
Was he born before 1850?

[Inkspot] No (born, yes, American Indian, no)
[BM] Yes
[all] I'll say Yes, but records are sketchy in this respect. I may revise this or confirm later. It would have been around 1850.
Did he die after 1900?
General George Armstrong Custer?
[Brendan] No of that I am certain
[all] No, but spookily his was a name on my list of possibles.
Did he die in the American Civil War?
Was he of caucasian appearence?
Was he a white man?
Was he a desperado or outlaw?
Henry McCarty, alias Kid Antrim, alias William H. Bonney, alias Billy The Kid?
[Brendan] No
[all] Yes
[Inkspot] In some respects Yes
[GL] No x 4
Was he assassinated?
[Tuj] No
Was he killed in a shoot out with the law?
[Inkspot] No
Was he involved in politics?
[Darren] No
John Wilkes Booth?
or maybe not, given the way he died ...
[Brendan] No not John Wilkes Booth.
Summarising: White male, American but not "American Indian", died violently before 1900, born around 1850, not political but (clue) fame has serious political aspect.
Lets go from here.
Was he a civil rights campaigner?
[Inkspot] No
Was he shot by firing squad?
Did he fight in teh american Civil War?
[Inkspot] No [Gusset] No
Was he executed?
[all] Yes
Was he electrocuted?
[Inkspot] Yes
William Kemmler?
[all] YES
Well done, the first electicutee in 1890. An axe murderer who killed his lover Matilda Ziegler (theres and actress with that name - in Mr Bean I think) in 1889. Sketchy records about him but it was a botched execution. They fried him twice. Mmmm Nice.

So when the applause dies down its over to you [all]
Thank you, Snodgrass
OK this one is an ABSTRACT with MINERAL connections.
Does is appear in a work of fiction?
all] *cheers ans clapping* Congrats on another good win.
[Inkspot] It would be inaccurate to say 'No', but misleading to say 'Yes'.
Is this an area of the Earth's surface (ie. a country, region, ocean, etc.)?
[Darren] No
Is it something represented in sculpture?
Rock music?
Is it connected to the word "Antarctica"?
Can it be percieved by any of the senses?
The pot of gold at the end of a rainbow?
Just popping in with my occasional and totally selfish wild guess.
Is it man-made?
Money?
Is the mineral connection an element of the same?
make that "...of the name"?
Sorry to ask two questions but it's been a while.
[Brendan] Not to my knowledge, but you never know with some artists
[Darren] No
[Tuj] No
[Inkspot] Not really, though it's causes often are.
[Dujon] No
[Breadmaster] One of the mineral connections is.
[Raak] No
[Darren] Yes, And don't worry about asking multiple question, especially over the weekend.
Is the mineral, which is a part of the name of the item, a solid?
[Snodgrass] One of them is, one of them isn't
Is it a phrase or saying?
Is there a maritime connection?
[GL] Yes
[BM] Not as far as I'm aware
Does it have a religious connection?
[Inkspot] No
A bottle/can (depends where you come from) of elbow grease?
"Like chalk and cheese"?
Salt of the earth?
Thinking that only one thing is solid how about a Bucket of Steam?
Getting blood out of a stone?
Is the non-solid mineral part of the name, a liquid?
[Snodgrass] No
[BIGSmith] No
[Raak] No
[Darren] No
[Darren] In part
Is the solid part stone?
Or is the solid a Metal?
and is it Edible?
[Inkspot] I assume you mean natural stone. No.
[Snodgrass] No
[Snodgrass Clone] No, but it is assosiated with something edible

Summary: A phrase or saying, that uses the names of two mineral items, one solid, one partially liquid. One man-made. Not linked to Antarctica, nor religion.
A glass of some cocktail, Vodka Martini (shaken not stirred) with Ice for example?
[Snodgrass] No
Is the partially liquid thing a viscous substance?
[Snodgrass] No
A gaseous or vaporous form of a liquid?
[Snodgrass] The part of the non-solid mineral item that is not liquid is a gaseous or vaporous form of the liquid.
The boiling point of water?
Does this object have a medical purpose?
[Inkspot] 100 degrees Centigrade, which has nothing to do with this.
[Snodgrass] I can think of no medical use for it.
A quantity of mud which, when thrown at a wall, will leave some still adhering?
[Raak] In what way is that an Abstract. And what kind of mud do you get 'round there? All the mud I've seen is viscous rather than gaseous or vaporous.
Are the solid, liquid, and vaporous parts, different states of the same substance?
Is it a phrase to decribe a change in state?
[Raak] The solid part is a different substance. The vaporous and liquid parts are different states of the same substance.
[Inkspot] No.
Is the man made object a building or structure?
Is the solid part artificial stone, such as concrete?
[Inkspot] No.
[Darren] Yes

I will probably be away from Thursday to Tuesday. Therefore I will now provide a number of broad hints:
1 The liquid is water, but not refered to as water
2 The solid is found in most kitchens in the UK
3 Remember this is a phrase or saying that includes the names of the two items.

Rising damp?
[Inkspot] No, see number 3 above.
A Steam Iron?
sorry ignore that - its not metal!
Is the solid Glass?
[Snodgrass] N... OK ignoring
[Snodgrass] No.
Solid = Pottery of some kind?
Is it s container?
[Snodgrass] Yes!
[Snodgrass] Is it's container what?
Is the solid item referenced known for containing something? (Pot, Jar, Kettle like)
[Snodgrass] Yes.
A Pot Boiler?
Is it ia phrase like, The kettle calling the pot black?
A whistling kettle?
but boiling water has already been dismissed whatever it is, is at alower temp, presumably
Condensation on a wine chiller?
But this can be seen so thats not right
[Snodgrass] A what? No
[Inkspot] It is a phrase. But not that one.
[Inkspot] No.
[Inkspot Clone III] No

Where else do you find water vapour and liquid water treated as a single event Think about it don't expect the answer to just drop on your head.

Are we talking steam here?
Is it "a watched pot never boils"?
[Snodgrass] No.
[Darren] No
Is the non-solid part something to do with clouds?
[GL] YES!
A St-Cloud Porceline Tea Pot
I meant porcelain of course but I'm losing touch with reality!
[Snodgrass] No, porcelain isn't abstract.
Storm in a teacup?
Or has someone asked that one already?
[sadie] Yes! Well done!

A Storm In A Teacup

Your turn! Thank god that's over 8-)

Bugger. I'm about to go away for a week. Oh well, have to hurry. This one's completely ABSTRACT
Or could somebody else do it? I really have to go.
[sadie] Well I'm not bluddy doing it.
The Easter Bunny?
If you really dont have time I have one - but I'm not forcing myself on anyone you understand. Its ANIMAL, MINERAL AND ABSTRACT
The Borg?
A silly guess to start of with, I don't have time to win either
Is this a tangible thing?
I assume we're going with Snodgrass here.
[Darren] Since I happen to have sadie on my contact list and therefore know he's gone and won't be back for a week. I think it's best we did.
Animal, Mineral and Abstract then...
[Darren] Not really although some would claim it was
[GL] No
Microsoft?
[Brendan] No, but a rather amusing suggestion nonetheless.
Is it "The Thing" from The Fantastic Four?
[Kim] No
Is the animal part Human?
Is it humanoid?
[all] Yes the Animal reference is human, and not humanoid
Is it fictional?
I thought all humans were humanoid
[all] Not strictly fictional but it does appear in fiction
(I took humanoid to be alluding to something of a human form but not actually human - like a Cyborg or other robot.)
Are they male?
[Inkspot] Yes
Connected to religion?
[Darren] No
Was he born before 1850?
[Inkspot] It is thought so Yes!
Has he had something named after him?
[Inkspot] Yes.
Is the mineral part something manmade?
Frankenstein's Monster?
[Brendan] No not literally although the phrase might suggest otherwise, but then the abstract part kicks in
[Chalky] No
Is "he" a better pronoun to use than "they"?
Was he a Greek philosopher?
[Darren] Yes
[Inkspot] No
A small clue - The phrase is essentially Abstract with Animal and Mineral references
Is it the name of a place?
[Inkspot] Yes, but with an abstract slant to it.
The Man in the Moon?
Was the person referred to an author or poet?
[Bigsmith] No but you have the right kind of idea
[Inkspot] No
St. Peter at the Pearly Gates?
Confused!So the person is ficticious and the place real, I thought it were the other round, ho hum.
[Inkspot] Not St Paul and not the Pearly Gates
We are looking for a place, which exists but is itself abstract, and references a persons name in the way, say, The Heights of Abraham or Jacobs Ladder does. The person may well have been real but there is no certainty of that. There is also a mineral reference. How go to it!
Is the person a saint?
Was he a King?
Arthur's Camelot?
[Brendan] No, far from it
[Inkspot] No
[Inkspot Encore} No but thats the kind of phrasing we are looking for
The minerals may help. (a clue there) The name may have been a real person but we are not sure. There is a folklore component here.
Is there a mythological connection?
[Golfer] Yes. Mythology is key here!
Is water significant?
[Golfer] Yes. Very
Is it the Giant's Causeway?
[Darren] No.
Davey Jones's Locker?
[Inkspot] YES, a quite inspired deduction.

INKSPOT WINS

Davy Jones Locker, the sailors name for the sea bed, the place where drowned sailors go. Named possibly after a 16th century innkeeper who had a locker in which he kept his drink, or possibly a derivation of Jonah, possibly of the Whale persuasion. It exists all over the world but not any place in particular, but its not a place you'd probably want to visit, Unless you are Jacques Cousteau that is.

Well its over ti Inkspot to take over the chair just as soon as the applause dies down.
Thank you Snodgrass, that was a good challenge.

...and to continue ANIMAL, with the boards quiet over the holiday period, please feel free to ask more than one quetion at a time.

Is the animal human?
snorgle] Yes
Male?
...wait for it...
Female?
Inkspot] Feel free not to specify which one was right!
Dead ... ?
...or Alive?
Fat....?
....or Thin?
British...?
...or foreign?
Tuj]...that moustache, defintley Male.
Chalky] dead and buried, and pushing up the Daffodils.
Breadmaster] yes he was British.
Daffodils significant?
Dylan Thomas? (resisting the desire to put Welsh Rugby!)
Snodgrass] maybe, has theme beem rumbled?
Snodgrass] No (careful! surely no Englishman could be thinking third was a good finish for the World Champions, so I can only presume you are Irish or more likely French? (sorry m'lud but the hook looked too tempting))
He is WELSH then?
[Inkspot] I was thinking of the juxt de pose of Welsh Rugby and Pushing up Daffodils. Swinging Low
Snodgrass]Yes, and its not 'Merv the Swerve'.
David Lloyd George?
YES!!!

Breadmaster wins with a stunning move, as the assembled mass of Male voice choirs spontaneously burst forth with, Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.

How splendid! Apologies for the delay, as I'm working nights right now and have therefore spent Easter day asleep. Very pleasant too.
So this one is ANIMAL with abstract overtones.
Is this a fictional animal?
More than 3 legs?
Crosbreed?
Sorry about the delay! It occurs to me that I'm not really going to be in a position to post here at the same sort of time as everyone else over the next couple of days, so I think I will actually abdicate this round and take it up again another time. I'm sorry about that but I'm sure someone else can take the reins with ease...
Is it a dog?
Breadmaster] I for one am quite happy for you continue to carry on with this round and to answer our questions at a time suitable to yourself. How does anyone else feel, or is there a volunteer and we'll come back to this one when Breadmaster is more available?
Mamal?
[Bread & Ink] I'm happy to let this run and see answers as and when.
Human?
OK then! I shall do my best...
[Darren] Yes.
[Snodgrass] No.
[Tuj] No.
[Inkspot] No.
[Snodgrass] Yes.
[Darren] Yes.
Female?
Less than three legs?
More than one and a half legs?
[all] No.
[Raak] Yes.
[Gusset] Yes.
I believe he had the usual number of legs, although I can't be certain that it is ever specified...
Less than two arms?
[all] Nope. And I'll tell you for free, no more than two either.
More than one head?
Is he a character from a book?
Was the (or a significant) fictional work in which he appears, published within the last 50 years?
Was he older than 25 in the fictional work?
Is the fictional work of British origin?
An anthromoporthic representation of a natural function?
[Tuj] That sounds rude.
Gandalf?
Yes, I know he's not human, but he's close enough.
[all] Nope.
[all] Yes. Kind of.
[Darren] No.
[Gusset] Yes.
[Brendan] Yes.
[Tuj] Eeeooo! no.
[all] No.
Biggles?
Baron Munchhausen?
Has a film been made of the book?
A book for broadly Adult consumption?
[Raak] That was a guess by proxy I assume!
[Snodgrass] No.
[Raak] No. He was real, anyway...
[Gusset] Yes.
[Snodgrass] Yes, but it ain't naughty.
As I said, it's "sort of" a book, but not exactly.
Newspaper based?
Andy Capp?
A Non-newspaper based comic?
A graphic novel?
[Snodgrass] No, and no.
[all] No.
[Raak] No.
Before the 20th century?
Comics?
Eeeooo! (I love it!)
[Raak] Yes.
[Tuj] No.
Someone from the Arthurian legends?
King Arthur?
[Raak] No.
[all] No.
A character from Shakespeare?
A character from Bacon?
[Raak] Yes!
[all] Only when he was writing under Shakespeare's name...
Was it a character from Hamlet?
Is it Hamlet?
I meant "Was he" on the previous question
[all] No.
[all] Again, no.
Was he a king?
Was he a character from Romeo and Juliet?
Titus Andronicus?
Or however he spelled his name
Is he from one of the comedies?
Is he from one of the Histories?
King Lear?
Othello?
a blatant lurker's guess
[Raak] No.
[all] No.
[Gusset] No.
[Brendan] It's not normally classed as a comedy, I believe.
[all] No.
[Gusset] No.
[Chalky] Nope.
Banquo?
Falstaff?
Does he end up murdered?
Caius Martius, known as Coriolanus?
[Raak] No.
[Snodgrass] No - not from a history, remember.
[Darren] He does not.
[Chalky] Nope.
Shylock the Jew?
...although The Merchant of Venice was originally entitled The Comical History of The Merchant of Venice and as this isn't a Comedy or a History ....
Is the character from one of the Tragedies?
[Chalky] No, and no. I have to say I never found The Merchant of Venice particularly rib-tickling, although that would hardly bar it from being a Shakespeare comedy...
Petruccio - the Tamer of the Shrew?
That was a film, I think
[Bm] Not a comedy, a history, or a tragedy then? Doesn't leave much.
Adonis?
[Chalky] Nope.
[Raak] It doesn't, does it? Nope.
Is this from a Shakespeare work other than a play?
A sonnet?
[Darren] It's not.
[Tuj] Nope.
Prospero?
Googling has turned up a fourth class of Shakespearian play, the Romances.
[Raak] YES! Prospero it is. I believe that The Tempest is indeed generally classified as Shakespeare's one "romance" or "fantasy" play.
The site I found the term on also applied it to Pericles, Cymbeline and The Winter's Tale.

The next object is VEGETABLE and MINERAL

A potted plant?
[Tuj] No.
Is the mineral component man-made (sorry person made)?
[S] Partly.
Is it edible?
[Chalky] The rest of it is.
Is part the mineral metal?
Is the mineral part made of glass?
[Inkspot] No.
[all] The man-made part is.
Actually, the whole thing's man-made, but the non-glass mineral component isn't.
Is it a greenhouse?
Just checking :)
Is it bigger than a phonebox?
Is the Glass portion a container?
There are mineral components other than glass and these are not man made?
[all] No.
[GL] (Laughter from the audience.) No.
[S] Yes.
[S] Yes.
Is it (or part of it) a liquid?
[GL] Yes.
A Bottle of Milk?
I hope I'm wrong - I'll never have time to keep up with this game
Is the non glass portion which is mineral the liquid. (ie the vegetable part is not the part which is liquid)
[INJ] No.
[S] The non glass portion which is mineral is part of the liquid.
Is the container normally an enclosed space, ie with a lid. (as in a jar, bottle etc not as in glass / vase)?
Is the liquid viscous?
Is it a drink?
Is the vegetable part fruit juice?
[S] No.
[S] All liquids are viscous, except things like supercooled helium. Lets say, this is about the same viscosity as water.
[I] Yes. (Applause!)
[all] No.
Is it alcoholic?
Is it a pint of beer?
or larger, or bitter, or budweiser.
[GL] Yes!
[GL] Yes, no (it's exactly a pint, not any larger), no, no.
Now you just have to guess which beer.
A pint ow Newcastle Brown?
yes I meant of (still got a sticky keyboard)
[S] No.
British?
[Tuj] No.
A pint of XXXX?
or Fosters?
Is it a lager?
[S] No, no.
[I] No.
Irish?
Is it a porter's beer?
European?
Although it grieves me to use that word!
[INJ] No.
[I] No.
[S] Yes.
Is it a wheat beer ?
German?
[I] Yes!
[S] No.
Belgian?
Available in the UK?
[S] Yes, and yes.
A pint of Hoegaarden?
A bottle of Hoegaarden?
A thimble of Hoegaarden?
[S] Yes, over to you.
Thanks for that Raak. Must have a beer to celebrate.
OK, so its me again, um, er...., oh yes lets go for an ABSTRACT this time
Is it religious?

[all] No
Can it be percieved by any of the senses?
[Inkspot] No. I would say it cant be seen, tasted, touched, smelt or heard but we are told it esists!
Ethics?
[Tuj] No. (nor any other county for that matter)
The cultural highlights of Blackpool?
[Raak] Er.... No. Come to think ofi it not can you name 3?
Can it be measured?
odd question following on from my last, but time can't be percieved by the senses and I'm still only 29....again!
God?
[S] I was there over Easter, and the words "culture" and "Blackpool" do not go together.
[Inkspot] No. But measures do exist for part of this in other contexts.
[Raak] No. (I assume God is still regarded as religious unless Blair has intervened. See earlier response.)
Magnetism?
Justice?
Is it a human concept?
Reverting to my standard opening.
Is it emotional?
Sorry peeps. I've been away today visiting Bernard Mattleu's'
[Inkspot] No
[al] No
[Software] Yes
[Darren] No
Gloucestershireness?
[Tuj] No. Miles out but what an interesting guess!
Sorry about the smelling pistake in my last entry. I was using handwriting recognition on a palm top and it should have said Matthews!
Do other animals possess this quality?
[Software] No
Sentience?
[all] No
Is the answer a single word?
[GL] No, its 2
Is it an anthropomorphism?
[Inkspot] Not exactly but the answer may display some characteristics of this. I hope that is not mis-leading. There are better descriptions.
cognative thought?
Assuming that animals can't have them?
[Software] Warm! but No
day dreaming?
[Inkspot] No, colder
Is it something the brain does?
clumsy question!
deja vu?
Have I already asked that earlier? or was that a different game?
Deja vu
I'm sure I saw you ask that... (joke) Is it a quaint old turn of phrase?
[Inkspot] No, well not exactly
[Inkspot revisited] No
[Tuj] No (I've had deja vu before you know)
Self-awareness?
[Software] No, but its that kind of expression.
Does it refer to the first person singular?
[Inkspot] I would say not!
Racial Memory
?
[all] No
Time for a clue?
Is it fictional?
Clue...oh yes please!
Intelligent Life?
Actually that wouldn't apply to humans either.
[Inkspot] In its context it may be thought of as fictional but not in a literary way.
[GL] No but you are so close I'm going to hold off on a clue save to say oxymoron.
Military Intelligence?
[Gusset Login] Y E S . Gusset Login has correctly guessed that the answer was Military Inteligence.

So when the frantic applause dies down its over to Gusset to entertain us with another conundrum!
Gusset Login
OK, time for a MINERAL
Time Warning
I will be leaving for the weekend in about an hour. Any questions not posted before then will be dealt with on Monday.
Is it man-made?
Is it a geographical feature?
Good to see that the classic openings are still popular.
Stone?
smaller than a shoe box?
Made of metal?
Is it a building?
[Bread] Yes
[Kim] Not usually, almost never in fact
[Snod] No
[plump] No
[Inks] Partly
[Raak] Most people would not count them as such
Is it bigger than a phonebox?
Does it run on electrical power?
Is it a cave?
[all] No
[Ink] Electrical power is involved, but it would most likely still function without an external power supply
[Kim] No
Is it actually a phone box?
[Snodgrass] OK that clearly wasn't as hard as I'd hoped, either that or people just knew which questions to ask.

SNODGRASS WINS

*Shouts, screams and generally goes wild for Snodgrass*
Oh, B****r, that was a pure guess, so thanks to [all] for the assist.
OK. So its thinking time again and the next item
ABSTRACT with Animal, Vegetable and Mineral influences
Is it the title of a piece of music?
stunning win snodgrass
[Inkspot] Why thank you - lucky guess really.
No. Not a misical piece, let me guess - were you thinking of The Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy?
Is it the title of a piece of fiction?
[Snodgrass]Guess, perhaps, but still impressive.
[all] I owe it all to your previous question. No not fiction.
Is it a popular phrase or saying?
all has just confessed that he saw me write down the answer. (cheating little git)
[all] Shame on you !
[GL] Not popular, (as in Nice to se you, to see you Nice!) but I suppose it is a well known. phrase
Is it the Abominable Snowman?
[Kim] No. And unless he has a carrot for a nose I couldnt see a vegetable reference!
Life, the Universe, and Everything?
42?
[Raak] No, more Earthly than that
[all] No, too many
8?
[Tuj] No. Not 8. !?!
Less than 10?
[all] Assuming there is a numeric component, which you all seem to be, then Yes, it is less than 10 (in a One Flew Over The Cookoos Nest kind of way)
Is there a numeric component?
Given that you said 42 was too many it's safe to assume there is
[GL] Yes and may I refer the Honorable Gusset to the answer I gave a few moments ago (to all)
Is the numeric component larger than one?
Your response to the Dishonorable all stated that it was an assumption, I wished to have the point clarrified
[GL] No, and to save everyone a question it is not less than one either! Therefore .........
I assume that you and all are still not talking then!?
Is it a title of a book?
Is the animal refered to a person?
[Inkspot the first] There are books using this in the title but my thought is the phrase. The book is incidental.
[Inkspot the second] It would be a person having influence here but is not referred to in the phrase.
Is the vegetable a carrot?
[all] Nope - Vegetation is loosly involved not vegetables. Similarly loosly involved are the mineral and animal influences.
How green is my valley?
[Inkspot] I have no idea. I've never seen it. What sort of a chap do you think I am? No
Is there a reference to a country in the phrase?
[all] No
An House in the Country?
[all] No but I like your direction.
A walk in the park?
[Inkspot] Getting closer, but alas, No.
The right relationship between the abstract and the physical though.
Sex in the City?
[all] Now thats not abstract is it? Or is it? No, nothing like it (although there are certain.....)
The apple of my eye?
Does it include the word "one's"?
[Phahad] Greetings and No. Sorry
[Tuj] No, not "one's" but almost! OK I'm in a mellow mood. It contains the word "one"
As I walked Out One Midsummer Morning?
A room of one's own?
[Inkspot] No
[Raak] No
Does the phrase contain an action?
[Inkspot] Not contain, as in "dance" etc but the phrase is synonymous with an action.
One foot in the grave?
[all] No but I see some common ground!
Is it associated with a particular pert of the day?
[Inkspot] No. Time is not important - but its not likely to happen in the dark!
One light in the darkness?
[all] No
Clue. 4 words, 10 letters, 3 spaces. Happens Outside.
A hole in one?
[all] Yes Yes thrice Yes
all wins with a slash of a seven iron. I didn't think it would be that hard.
Well done [all] and over to you.....
Thank you
A (probably) simple one this time ANIMAL
More than 3 legs?
Human male?
One question, no cheating...
Living?
Cthulhu?
[Snodgrass] No
[Tuj] Yes
[Breadmaster] No
[Raak] No, honestly he was a human male.
Did he die before 1900?
[Inkspot] No
A politician?
[Raak] Among other things
Is he an American? and did he pop his clogs before 1950?
[Raak] Thinking about it, probably he ws best known as a politician.
[Inkspot] No (to both)
Lord Tonypandy, former Speaker of the House of Commons?
[Inkspot] Not this time
Churchill (the famous one)?
[Raak] No. Not any other Churchill either
Was he a British Left wing parlimentarian?
[Inkspot] No, far from it.
Was he a British Right wing parlimentarian?
[Kim] No.
Is he a European national?
[Inkspot] No
Was he a politician of the Centre? (whatever that is nowerdays)
Was he from Asia?
[Snodgrass] I'm fairly certain that most people would say he wasn't
[Inkspot] No
From somewhere in Africa?
[Raak] Yes
Burning Spear ?
White Man?
[Inkspot] Is he dead? Either way, no
[Snodgrass] No.
Would he have been described as a tyrant or a despot?
[Snodgrass] Not to his face. (Yes)
Idi Amin?
Yes, died in office 1978.
[Inkspot] Oh, that Burning Spear!
Yes it was de worl' famous Idi Amin

INKSPOT WINS
...and as the audience settle back down on wet Friday afternoon MINERAL.
Is it man-made?
Is it bigger than a phonebox?
Is it actually a Phonebox?
Sorry, deja'vu has struck again
Is it smaller than a shoe box?
and we're off...
Gusset Login - No
all - Yes
Snodgrass - No
all - No
Is it made of stone?
Natural feature?
Gusset Login - Almost entriely Yes, in the same way as Mount Everest
Snodgrass - Yes
Is it a mountain?
Gusset Login - No
Is this guess wrong?
Tuj - No
The Gulf Stream?
That place in the Atlantic where the tectonic plates meet?
Scratch Gulf Stream, overlooked that it's made of stone.
Raak - No
first clue;this time I've chosen something that has no Welsh connection, but, I shall find one before the game is up ;)
Is it in the UK?
Raak - No
Is there more than one of them?
Americas?
plump - Yes
Snodgrass - No
Fossils?
Raak - No
Geodes?
A volcano?
Raak- No
Tuj - Yes
Is it a whole chain of volcanoes?
Raak - not a chain but there are others nearby
A big special one, famous for going BOOM at a certain point in history?
Pacific Rim?
Tuj - Yes and No; it is a big special one, but not so famous for going BOOM.
Snodgrass - No
Africa?
Snodgrass - No
All guesses about location have so far been wide of the mark by thousands of miles.
Mount St Helens?
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