mc5 - AVMA Take 2

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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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A long-necked meat-eating animal that lives in trees and water and swims?

Meerkats?

[Inkspot] Yes, it is semi-aquatic.
[rab] No, not arboreal.
[Kim] Not exclussively water-dwelling, see response to Inkspot.
[Raak] Not carnoivorous. Rather the contrary.
[Lib] Not a giraffe. A long way off.
[CdM] Not a long necked or meat eating animal that lives in trees. It does enter water and swim, though.
[Irouleguy] Not meerkats.

A hippopotamus?

A beaver?

[Raak] Not a hippopotamus.
[Kim] Not an eager (or disinterested) beaver.

Smaller than a telephone box?

[Raak] Yes, smaller than a telephone box.

Smaller than a bread bin?

[Lib] No. Bigger than a bread bin.

A primate?

[Rosie] Not a primate (Are there any semi-aquatic primates?)

[Rosie] Not a primate (Are there any semi-aquatic primates?)

Furry?

A mink?

A vole?

BTW, CdM' s "Found (in the wild) on more than two continents?" hasn't been answered.

A reptile?

[Raak] As a mammal it does have fur, but not particularly known for its furriness.
[rab] Not a mink
[Irouleguy] Not a vole.
[CdM] Found in th wild, but on only one continent.
[Kim] Not a reptile. It's already been established that it is a mammal.

Duck-billed platypus?

[CdM] Not a platypus.

Found in Africa?

Found in America?

[Inkspot] Not Africa.
[Kim] Not natively found wild in the USA, but yes, is found in one of the two Americas.

The capybara?

[Irouleguy] Yes, Capybara, it is! Over to you...

A win largely down to Wikipedia, in all honesty. Our next is MINERAL and VEGETABLE and contains ANIMAL.

Coal?

A mass produced manufactured item?

The Tardis?

Raak - Coal No. Surely coal is either mineral or vegetable - can it be both?
Inkspot - A mass produced manufactured item? Yes and no - not mass-produced
Kim - The Tardis? a ripple of applause No

A Dalek?

A Cyberman?

rab - A Dalek? No
Raak - A Cyberman? No
the applause unripples
I should add that there's also an abstract dimension to this.

Does it exist only in science fiction?

rab] Does it exist only in science fiction? No - there isn't a science fiction connection (or if there is, it's incredibly faint).

Can one live in it?

A telephone box?

Was the first one made before 1900?

Is there only one of it?

Is it a coat?

...or shall I get mine?

rab - Can one live in it? One could...but I don't think anyone does
Raak - A telephone box? No
Inkspot - Was the first one made before 1900? Yes
Rosie - Is there only one of it? No
Tolken - Is it a coat? No, and no, it was a perfectly clean question

A sauna?

Raak - A sauna? No

Is it a piece of street furniture?

rab - Is it a piece of street furniture? No

Is the vegetable ccomponent wood?

irach - Is the vegetable component wood? Yes

Is it larger than a transit van?

Is it an outdoor object?

(Chalky) A TRANSIT van?

Chalky - Is it larger than a transit van? Yes
Rosie - Is it an outdoor object? Yes
(What's wrong with Transit vans?)

Are they in fixed positions?

Inkspot - Are they in fixed positions? *another ripple of applause* No

A horse box?

Is the animal human?

Does it have wheels?

Raak - A horse box? No
Inkspot - Is the animal human? Yes
rab - Does it have wheels? *giggling from large sections of the audience* Yes, though in the past they used to have more.

Would you find it at a funfair?

Is is a mode of public transport?

Is it a vehicle?

A horse-drawn wagon?

Does it use electric power?

Raak - Would you find it at a funfair? No
rab - Is is a mode of public transport? *loud applause* YES
Projoy - Is it a vehicle? Yes
Rosie - A horse-drawn wagon? *giggles No
Inkspot - Does it use electric power? It does now, but it hasn't always done.

A tram?

A train?

rab - A tram? No
Raak - A train? No

Apologies - I'm out most of tomorrow and won't be at a keyboard until the evening. I hope no-one will harbour a grudge.

A lift?

An escalator?

An omnibus?

a charabang?

a charabanc?

It would appear that everyone not in my family calls it a Charabanc, so I'll try again!

Raak - A lift? No
Rosie - An escalator? No
rab - An omnibus? No
Lib - a charabang or charabanc? Or even a charabank - a coach you get on Bank Holidays. No

Does it use the roads?

Back to basics. :-(

A ferry?

(I'm pretty certain this is a water vehicle of some kind.)

A barge?

Rosie - Does it use the roads? No
CdM - A ferry? *waves of applause* YES! 'Ferry' is one of the four words on the card.
rab - A barge? No

A cross-channel ferry?

Ferry Across the Mersey?

CdM - A cross-channel ferry? La Trans-Manche? Non
rab - Ferry Across the Mersey? No

Hong Kong Star Ferry?

Isle of Man Ferry?

Lib - Hong Kong Star Ferry? No
CdM - Isle of Man Ferry? No, but the geographically closest so far.

Ferry to/from a Scottish Isle?

Projoy - Ferry to/from a Scottish Isle? No, and no closer.

Does it sail from Liverpool?

Isle of Wight Ferry?

Holyhead- Dublin sea ferry?

Pembroke to Rosslare ferry

rab - Does it sail from Liverpool? No
Lib - Holyhead- Dublin sea ferry? No
Inkspot - Pembroke to Rosslare ferry No

When I said CdM was 'closest', that was strictly comparative. 'Least distant' would have been more helpful. Lib is now the least distant.

Is at least one end of the journey in the UK?

Is at least one end on the North American continent?

Does it sail between two different countries?

Is it operated by a pulley system?

The Staten Island Ferry?

CdM goes overnight from 'least distant' to bullseye - the Staten Island Ferry it is! One Staten baton handed over.

ANIMAL, VEGETABLE, and MINERAL

Is the animal human?

Human? No.

Is the vegetable a liquid?

Is it edible?

Is there a seasonal connection?

Vegetable = liquid? Least misleading answer is yes, I think.
Edible? Yes. *ripple of applause*
Seasonal connection? None that I am aware of.

Some sort of soup?

Soup? No.

Is it associated with a particular country?

A specific meal?

Some form of alcohol?

Associated with a particular country? Yes *applause*
A meal? No. *a sprinkling of laughter*
Some form of alcohol? Yes, the vegetable component is some form of alcohol. *applause* (I was probably overthinking earlier when I said liquid was "least misleading"; I should have just said yes. But it doesn't seem to have slowed you up.)

Is the mineral salt?

Salt? No.

Is it a drink?

Is the mineral water?

Two pints of lager and a packet of pork scratchings?

A drink? The words on the card do not define a drink as such. The alcohol is intented to be drunk, however.
Mineral = water? While there may be some water mixed in the alcohol, the primary mineral component is not water.
Two pints of lager and a packet of pork scratchings? How can I put this? No.

Is the animal a fish?

Is the animal connection a by product like cheese?

A loaf of bread, a jug of wine, and thou?

Animal = fish? No.
Animal = By-product? No.
Wonderloaf, Mateus Rosé and him? No, but a nice guess.

Is the alcoholic part served separately to the edible component?

Alcohol and edible component served separately? No. *some applause*

Is the mineral part the container in which it is served?

Is it some kind of stew?

Is the animal a bird?

Mineral part = container? Yes. *applause*
Some kind of stew? No.
Animal = bird? No.
Clarification: my answer to "drink?" might have been unintentionally misleading. The answer is not exactly a drink, but it is not incorrect to think in terms of things that are. If you see what I mean. It always amazes me how hard it can sometimes be to answer even the simplest questions in this game.

Is it a canned item?

Is the alcoholic part a spirit?

Canned item? No.
Spirit? Yes.

Irish coffee?

Is it always the same spirit? (And if so, is it vodka?)

*wonders what kind of animal Raak takes in his coffee*

Is the animal component milk or milk-based?

Is the vegetable a fruit?

Always the same spirit? Yes.
Vodka? No.
Animal = milk? No.
Vegetable = fruit? No.

Is the spirit brandy?

Brandy? No.

Mezcal (the Mexican spirit with a worm in the bottle)?

And a massive leap to victory by Raak. The words on the card were "A bottle of Mezcal containing a worm", but I had previously decided that I would award victory as long as the words "mezcal", "bottle", and "worm" all appeared.
*hands a small, wriggling, inebriated baton to Raak*

Apparently the worm in the bottle was invented in 1950 by one Jacobo Lozano Paez as a marketing ploy for stupid gringo tourists.

The next is MINERAL and ABSTRACT.

Glass houses pierced by stones?

[Projoy] No, but you have the right general idea.

Is it a saying?

[rab] A saying? No.

(The general idea is a bit more general than that.)

Is the mineral rock?

[Rosie] Not rock.

Is the mineral in its natural state?

[Rosie] The mineral is not in its natural state.

Is it always made of the same material?

[rab] Yes, always the same material.

Begins with P?

...to try to give Rosie a hand, however small.

Plastic?

Is the object larger (in any dimension) than a dustbin?

more than one mineral?

[Tuj] Does not begin with a P.
[rab] Not plastic.
[Rosie] Not larger than a dustbin.
[Lib] Not more than one mineral.

Glass?

[rab] Yes! Glass.

Glass Menagerie?

[irach] Not a menagerie.

A cut-glass accent?

Like wot I 'ave.

[Rosie] Not ay cut-glahss eksent.

Is it half-full?

Is the glass a mirror?

[rab] Not half-full (nor half-empty, nor over-engineered for the purpose).
[irach] Not a mirror.

Is the glass component a container?

[irach] Yes, a container.

Is the container a bottle (with or without a genie)?

Is the contents important?

[irach] (applause!) It's a bottle. No genie.
[rab] The contents are not important.

I'll be in London all day tomorrow, doing the rounds of as many museums and art galleries as I can fit in, so you have a day to think about this abstract glass bottle.

A Klein bottle?

[Projoy] Surprisingly, not a Klein bottle.

Is it associated with a myth, legend or piece of history?

Losing one's bottle?

Hitting the bottle?

[rab] Not mythical, legendary, or historical.
[Irouléguy] Not losing it.
[irach] Not hitting it.

Is anything being done to it?

[rab] Nothing is being done to it.

Is the actual word "bottle" on the card?

[irach] (excited murmuring from the audience) Strictly speaking, no.

Is it bottled-up anger?

[rab] Not bottled-up anger.

A hint

There are two words on the card, including the indefinite article.

A jeroboam?

[Rosie] Not a jeroboam.

A decanter?

A gottle? (of the kind that generally contains geer)

[irach] Not a decanter.
[Projoy] Not a gottle.

Another hint

The Mineral meaning is less well-known than the Abstract meaning.

A fiasco?

[Rosie] Yes, a fiasco, and well done for avoiding one.

(Raak) Too kind; you haven't seen my Christmas arrangements.

Right, here we go with a fairly simple one that's ABSTRACT with MINERAL connections.

Is the mineral a metal?

Does it have religious connections?

Is it fictional?

irach - Not a metal
Inkspot - No religious connection
Irouléguy - Not fictional

Does it describe an emotional state?

irach - Nothing to do with the emotions.

related to music?

Ooh, sorry I forgot to get dressed up in my disguise above! How rude of me! *blushes*

(Lib) - Nothing to do with music.

Is the mineral liquid?

>Is the mineral ice?

Irouléguy - Yes, the mineral is liquid.
irach - Not ice. See above. :-)

Anything to do with the weather?

Is the liquid mineral potable (non life-threatening if imbibed)?

Is it flammable?

Coloured?

Does it f l o w?

Raak - Weather? Certainly is *applause*
irach - Potable? Very much so
Inkspot - Flammable? No. Laughter from audience
Lib - Coloured? Yes *whooping and shrieking from the rather plebby lot we've got in tonight*
Rab - Does it flow? - Course it flows, 's a bleed'n' liquid innit? Man of your calibre; I dunno.

Purple Rain?

irach - Not purple rain.

(tutti) Don't forget it's fundamentally abstract.

Some other colour of rain?

Somewhere Over the Rainbow?

Raak - Not rain of any colour
irach - Erm, I'm afraid not. *huge but rapidly-stifled audience eruption *

Non-alcoholic liquid, one assumes?

Projoy - T-t-t-totally correct, but you're moving in the wrong direction.

A pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?

Just a rainbow?

[Rosie] Sorry - was drunk last night.

Raak - Not the pot of gold, but . . . .

The rainbow itself. So the winner is the extraordinarily sober rab! Well done.

Eek!

Right, well I probably won't have 'net access after 9am tomorrow, so let's go for a really easy ANIMAL (with possible ABSTRACT tendancies).

a Gnu?

Not a Gnu.

A specific individual?

[Raak] Yes!

Fictional?

[irach] As the Germans say, jein.

Human?

Yes.

Is he/she dead, or as the Germans ask: Ist er/sie tot?

Errr..., jein. You have only a few hours left. If no one gets it, someone else can take over with what they think it is...

Male?

Yes!

Santa?

I said it was easy.

Ok, another easy one, to make sure it gets solved before Christmas.

ABSTRACT.

The First Noel?

[irach] Not the First Noel.

Xmas-related?

[Projoy] Coincidentally Xmas-related.

Related to religion?

A greeting?

[Projoy] Some relate it to their religion.
[Inkspot] Not a greeting.

Winter solstice?

Bingo!

[irach] The very words on the card.

Here we go again- This one is ANIMAL

Dickens?

[Rosie] Good try, but no. (Bah! Humbug!) ...the audience at least stirs slightly

Reindeer?

Human?

[lib] Nort reindeer.
[Tuj] Yes, human.

Christmas-related?

[Tuj] No Christmas connection.

A European?

A male?

In the news recently?

[Inkspot] European, yes.
[Projoy] Yes, male.
[Rosie] No, not that I know of.

Alive?

[Inkspot] Dead.

Was he born before 1900?

[Inkspot] Yes, born prior to 1900.

Involved in any of the creative arts?

[Rosie} Yes.

Born prior to 1700?

[Projoy] Yes, born prior to 1700.

In the Music Field?

[StormWraith] Not Music.

Is he in a visual art?

[StormWraith] Not a visual art per se.

Was he a Greek?

[Inkspot] Not Greek.

British?

[Lib] Jolly good, I say! Yes, British. (the audience stirs and begins humming "Rule Brittania")

A writer

I mean "A writer?"

Born prior to 1500?

[Rosie] Yes, a writer.
[Projoy] Born after 1500.

A playwright?

[Rosie] Yes, he wrote plays.

Shakespeare?

`

[Projoy] YES, the Bard of Avon it is. Over to you.

OK, here's a MINERAL/ABSTRACT.

Anything to do with the present season?

Stone?

[Raak] To do with the present season? NO
[Inkspot] Stone? YES

Stonehenge?

Is this two meanings for the same word, one mineral, one abstract?

[irach] Stonehenge? NO
[Rosie] Two meanings? YES, but then again NO. Not sure which is the most helpful answer, really.

Is it the rock of ages?

[Kim] Aged Rock? NOPE

Connected with a geographical feature?

[Rosie] Not connected with a geographical feature.

Does it have religious significance?

[Inkspot] religious significance? NO (a couple of mutters from the audience, but basically they agree)

The Stone of Scone?

[Raak] Symbol of temporal power in Scotland? NO.

Is it unique?

[Inkspot] Unique? NO is the best answer.

An artistic depitction?

[Rosie] Artistiction? NO

Does it feature in a legend?

[rab] Features in a legend? Strictly, NO, although a small change to your question would yield a YES.

Is there a specific, finite number of them?

Does it appear in mythology?

[Raak] A specific, finite number of them? NO
[Inkspot] Appears in mythology? I'm reasonably sure that's a NO, altho my research wasn't exhaustive.

It depends a bit on your definition of "mythology" and "legend", come to think of it. Probably best to regard NO as the most helpful answer in those cases, but you're approaching the right sort of area.

Some kind of fictional story?

[rab] (pretending to mishear the question) Fictional? YES!

Is the type of mineral any more specific than "stone"?

[rab] More specific than stone? NO

Does it have origins in a particular culture?

A heart of stone?

[Inkspot] Originates in a particular culture? NOT SURE. Sources are a bit unclear on this point.
[Raak] Heart of stone? NO.

It's not . . . . dilithium crystals, is it?

[Rosie] NO, IT'S NOT

[Rosie] Actually there is a very, very, very obscure connection to a particular variety of dilithium.

Then again, I am slightly drunk.

Is it fictional?

Is its signifance connected to a specific individual (possibly fictional)?

Is there a connection to an event?

sober now...

[Raak] Fictional? YES (see answer to rab's "misheard" question above)
[rab] SORT OF. Its significance isn't dependent on a specific individual, but there are specific individuals associated with it.
[Inkspot] Connected to a particular event? NO, NOT REALLY (except in a pretty trivial sense).

Could you name those specific individuals? And would you be able to get them all into the 'Stance' box?

(I don't actually want you to do this, merely know if it's possible...)

[rab] Could I name those individuals? YES, although it would be subjective as there's certainly no canonical list of them. Would they all fit into the "stance" box? I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT SO for most people's lists. An academic in the right field might be able to overflow the stance box, but most reasonably erudite people would probably name four or so names.

Are the people fictional as well?

[Inkspot] Are the people fictional? NO, by and large.

Are these precious stones?

Is the word "stone" on the card?

Do the stones go back to the time of the Greeks and Romans?

Arthurian connection?

The alchemists' stone?

back online now

[Raak] Precious stones? NO *sustained applause from the audience*
[CdM] The word "stone" IS on the card *mounting excitement from audience*
[Inkspot] Back to Greek and Roman times? YES
[rab] Arthurian connection? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF
[CdM] Alchemists' stone? YES. The words on the card were "Philosopher's Stone", and I have to say I'm very upset that Tuj never popped up with his normal question! I got in a bit of a tizzy over the legend/myth questions. To my knowledge, the philosopher's stone doesn't appear in a particular myth or legend or in what is conventionally called mythology (i.e. of the Greek and Roman variety), but one could call it a mythical or legendary object, so a hard one to answer helpfully. * transmutes baton into finest gold and hands to CdM*

All right, here we go again

ABSTRACT

Global Warming?

Not getting warmer at all

Global Warming? No.

Visible?

Human construct?

Fictional?

Visible? Yes.
Human Construct? Yes.
Fictional? No, although there are a few connections to works of fiction.

Something used as a symbol?

A slightly tricky one

Symbol? I think the most helpful answer is no.

Smoke?

Mirrors?

An action?

An emotion?

Does it involve all mankind, or a select few?

Coming up empty

Smoke? No. (Abstract?)
Mirrors? No. (Abstract?)
An action? No.
An emotion? No.
Does it involve all mankind? I'm not sure that it makes much sense to talk of this "involving people", but if you insist on an answer, I would say that it does not involve all mankind.

A metaphor?

Really not getting very far

Metaphor? No.

Is it ever used as a means of communication?

OK, now we're getting somewhere

Used as means of communication? While that is not its primary use, it can be used as a means of communication in certain circumstances.

An art form?

Speaking too soon...

An art form? No.

Is the "primary use" an invention?

Too, too soon

Invention? It is a human construct that was invented, but you wouldn't normally call it an invention.

Is any technology necessarily involved?

Is it a process?

[CdM] Not sure I care for your patronising tone.

Sorry - that was a bit harsh as usual. I read your last comment as "Of course a human construct is a human invention you idiot" but re-reading it I suspect my first reading was incorrect. Unfortunately, I can't work out what your last comment does mean...

I apologise unreservedly

Technology involved? Not really, except for a very broad definition of technology.
Process? No.

[rab] Wow, sorry -- I assure you that wasn't meant to be in the slightest bit patronising. My pedantic answer simply reflected the confusion I often feel when answering seemingly simple questions in this game. "Invention" conjures up to my mind steam engines, spinning jennies, COBOL, and the like -- and it would be odd to describe the subject on the card as an invention in that sense. On the other hand somebody did presumably invent this thing, so it would be misleading to say no as well.

S'ok - I did over-react. Likewise I find a problem in this game is in asking questions that don't completely give away the thing(s) you think they might be.

Does it exist?

'Course it does, idiot

Does it exist? Yes.

Not a ghost, then.

Is it electromagnetic radiation?

Did it exist 100 years ago?

Electromagnetic radiation? No. (This thing is abstract, but it does typically have a physical manifestation, so you can add "with ANIMAL, VEGETABLE AND/OR MINERAL connections" to the description, if you like.)
Did it exist 100 years ago? Yes.

Does it involve words?

Does it involve words? Yes. *prolonged applause from audience*

Rap?

(You said it wasn't an art form)

Are these words in spoken form?

Poetry?

Music and words?

Do the words originally come from one particular language?

Drama?

A musical?

Rap? Nope.
Are the words in spoken form? No.
Poetry? No, although there can be a connection.
Nineteen-forties movie? No.
One language? No.
Plays? No.
Evita? No.

In written form, then?

Is it the game of AVMA on mc5?

Ah, wait a minute - that's mostly one language... so change that to MC on the web

Actually, scrap that again - no technology, existed 100 years ago. Hmmm, stumped.

Written form? Yes. (Obviously, the words in question could be read, but the words on the card are associated with a written form.)
AVMA on the web (or not)? No.

Is it an epitaph?

RIP? The answer is not an epitaph, although there very occasionally is a connection.
Are you in need of a clue yet? ...
Because I have actually already given you some clues already.

Anything to do with religion?

God help us.

Birthday greetings?

Do the words on the card describe a particular formation of words?

Is this associated with a specific occasion or event?

"The words on the card"?

[Projoy] I was going to ask that...

Religion? There are occasional connections.
Birthday greetings? No.
Particular formation of words? Not exactly sure what you mean, but I think the best answer is yes. *some confused applause*
Associated with specific occasion? No.
Words on the card? No.

To do with nomenclature?

An advertising slogan

[CdM] By "particular formation of words" I meant something like an epitaph, birthday greeting or, indeed, an advertising slogan.

...or perhaps a particular form of verse or...

To do with nomenclature? In some cases, but by no means necessarily.
Advertising slogan? No.
[rab] Then I continue to think that the best answer is yes, although the answer is certainly not a unique formation of words such as "Just do it"

A condolence?

Typically appearing in printed form rather than manuscript?

Related to a particular time in people's lives?

Condolence? No.
Do you write it down? It could be either, but, yes, most instances would be printed.
Marriage, birth, death, divorce, christening...? No.

Is the meaning of the words relevant to what's written on the card?

Meaning relevant? No.

An invitation?

equal rights (as expressed in legislation)

Is it associated with the legal profession?

Is it work-related?

Come as you are? No.
Legislated equality? No.
Unethical? No.
Ergological? No.

Anything medical?

Some sort of certification?

Associated with a particular writing system?

A list of words?

A decloration?

Is the form of the words relevant to what's written on the card?

Is the setting of this one self-referential?

Anything Medical? No.
Certification? No
Riting or Reading or Rithmatic system? No.
"Of", "But", "Transubstantiate", "Legume", "Velocity"? Only vaguely.
Statement of intent to declare something to say? No.
To what's written on the card is the form relevant? Yes.
Is it self-referential? No, but...
Could be...

A clue?

A sentence?

Is there likely to be a particular length to which this form of words runs or could it range significantly from, say a few words to hundreds?

Is this form of words written by a particular group of people?

Do I have to spell it out for you?

A clue? No.
Verb-containing syntactically independent grammatical unit? No.
Many or few words? No particular length, though not arbitrarily short and usually not very long.
Authored by a particular group of people? No.

Is it spelling?

Anything to do with synonyms (or antonyms)?

Anything to do with translation

(rudely taking two goes)

Crying in my beer

Spelling? No.
Opposites (or sames)? No.
Babelfish? No.

Does this usually appear in a particular format of writing (eg newspaper, novel, magazine)?

Gah! An ACROSTIC?

I feel guilty even offering that answer, as it's now so obvious.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

I am the stupidest person in the whole world and my only consolation is that most of the rest of you were equally stupid.

I'm tempted to say that CdM won that round and should continue with the next clue.

Oh bollocks.

Give that man an beer. We were defeated good and proper.

Beer would be great! I'm delighted and flattered that I've been invited to come back and set one more clue, and yet now I'd rather retire unrequited.

Very well, then. On CdM's behalf*, here's an ANIMAL/MINERAL/ABSTRACT thingumabob.
* this means you can blame him if it's too hard

Is it some kind of idiom?

Course it's not, you idiom.

[rab] an idiomat? NO

There's a case for describing this as an (ANIMAL) (MINERAL) (ABSTRACT (ANIMAL) ), but maybe that's taking pedantry to new extremes.

Is the animal part human?

(By the way, I think that one of the reasons I inadvertantly insulted rab was that, at the beginning, my comment lines were an acrostic of "an acrostic". Thus my "Too, too soon" comment, which may have been what conveyed the unintended patronising tone. Also, I apologize for some of my slow responses, but they were partly because I was waiting for enough questions to put acrostics in my answers, and partly because good acrostics were hard to compose.)

(Either animal part...)

Is it something I'd encounter in everyday life?

Um, Projoy?

I think you were handed a baton, actually.

[CdM] Is either animal part human? YES
[rab] Something you'd encounter in everyday life? NO
[Néa] Me? NO :)

Is there more than one of these?

[Projoy] It's poor form to point to one's own cleverness, but I think Néa was referring to the fact that my AVMA sign-off above was actually an acrostical limerick.

[CdM] More than one? The best answer is NO, on several counts.
[CdM] re: limerick - Too subtle, too subtle!

Bloody hell, CdM! Here, have this round of applause that's been looking for a home.

Noah's Ark?

Oops

Pressed 'stand' too soon. I meant to add my congrats to CdM - excellent!

[Ig] Big Boat Wot Has Animals In? NO

Is it fictional?

A trophy?

Is it the name of something?

Actually, you could probably argue anything is the name of something, so let's change that to:

Is it a title of a book/film/poem/...?

[Inkspot] Fictional? YES, in essence
[Raak] Trophy? NO
[rab] The name of something? YES (and not in the same way that just anything is
[rab] Title of cultural product? NO (that I'm aware of)

Someone's nickname?

A legendary being?

[Raak] A nickname? NO * an audient claps a couple of times, but tails off when no-one else joins in *
[rab] Legendary? NO *smiles in the audience*

Is it a person?

To do with religion?

Is it a place?

[rab] A person? Hm. YES and NO
[Raak] Religious connection? NO
[Ink] A place? NO

Is the other animal part a specific animal?

Is the human part that is and is not a person a character of myth?

Sandman/Tooth Fairy type person?

Is it a something-man?

[Ig] Other part (the part that isn't human) a specific animal? YES
[Kim] You've slightly misread my response. I didn't say that there was a human part that was and wasn't a person. I said the whole thing was and wasn't a person. That said, the human part, as it happens might be described as being and not being a person. But the human part is not a character of myth. Glad to have cleared that up. :)
[Ink] Sandman/Tooth Fairy or generic substitute? NO
[rab] A something-man? In quite a broad sense, YES (but possibly not the one you're thinking of).

Did it originate in a particular culture more than 2000 years ago?

[Inkspot] Originated...particular culture... 2000 years ago? NO

Is the word "Man" on the card?

Is the mineral part man made?

[Kim] Word "man" on card? NO
[Inkspot] Mineral man made? YES

It's rather late to fess up to this, but I think there is probably a VEGETABLE element to this too (having said which, its absence hasn't really proven critical in the questioning as yet, nor probably will it).

Anything to do with warfare?

[Ig] Warfare? NO *some laughter*

Is it a part of a person?

[Raak] Parts of persons? YES. One 'animal' is part of a person; the other 'animal' is partially a person.

Is the "partially person" a ghost?

[rab] Ghosties and ghoulies? NO

Is the supernatural involved?

[Raak] Supernatural? NO

Here's our Graham with a quick reminder

Handy summary: It's an ANIMAL, VEGETABLE, MINERAL, (ABSTRACT (ANIMAL)). On the card is a name - the name of something essentially fictional that is and isn't a person. One of the animal parts is part of a human, the other animal part is partially a person, and partially another specific animal. The mineral part is man-made. It isn't supernatural or mythical.

Is the specific animal a mammal?

[rab] Mammal? YES

Did this first appear in a specific work of fiction?

[Ig] Appeared first in a specific work... YES is the best answer, altho one might quibble with it slightly.

Is the work of fiction European?

[Ig] Fiction European? YES

English language?

Is it from a comic?

[rab] Eng. Lang.? OUI
[Ink] Comic? NO

Is the work of fiction a book?

[rab] Book? NO

A Shakespeare play?

A film?

[Ig] Shakespeare play? NO (not a play at all, in fact)
[Ink] Film? NO

Is it any form of writing?

[rab] Originating work of fiction a written form? NO

Is the mineral part of the viewing medium rater than an object like a spoon?

rater/rather

Is this the name of a painting?

[Ink] Mineral part of the viewing medium? NO
[Raak] Painting? NO

Does the originating work of fiction exist (or has it existed) in any concrete, tangible form?

[rab] Original work concrete? Almost not sure how to answer. Would, say, a CD or a score of a piece of music count as concrete and tangible for the purposes of the question (originating form is not a piece of music, btw)? If you'd say yes, then YES, if you'd say no, you meant something like a painting or a sculpture where the idea and its expression in concrete form are pretty much analogous, then NO. :) (© Overthinking Services Ltd)

So, the work itself is not a tangible representation, but it can be tangibly represented?

[Raak] I think I'm in danger of leading you into a siding here. So that we can get back on the main track, let me reveal that the medium in question is TELEVISION (which can of course be put into the tangible form of videotape or DVD).

Doctor Who related?

(Well, presumably before it was on television it was in a script, which is a concrete tangible form by any defition surely?)

[rab] Doctor Who related? NO
(Fair enough, I was just interpreting your question as trying to distinguish a particular class of artforms of, say, the sculpture variety. If you count stuff like scripts, then which art forms don't have tangible form? Even computer games are stored tangibly on a HDD.)

* goes off to write treatise on television as a virtual form *

Is the programme currently on television?

Projoy] Re non-tangible art forms - how about improvised stand-up comedy?

[Ig] Is the original programme in which The Answer first appeared still on? NO
(is a real-life performer insufficiently tangible for you, then? :))

[Projoy] I was thinking of apocryphal/folk stories, that kind of thing.

British TV programme?

Was it a series?

[rab] British? YES
[Inkspot] A series? YES

The genre popularly known as "Drama"?

And you do know what I mean by that, if you don't try and think too hard :)

[rab] I hope you'll forgive me for giving the answer as I DON'T KNOW. History records the name of said show, but not its genre. Quite startled at how recalcitrant this subject is proving.

Summary again

[rab] On further thought, the best answer is almost certainly NO to the genre question.

Handy summary: It's an ANIMAL, VEGETABLE, MINERAL, (ABSTRACT (ANIMAL)). On the card is a name - the name of something essentially fictional that is and isn't a person. One of the animal parts is part of a human, the other animal part is partially a person, and partially another specific mammal. The mineral part is man-made. Appeared first in a British TV Show (in English) that is no longer on.

First episode shown prior to 1980?

OK let's try a different tack.

[rab] First episode before 1980? YES

Monty Python's Flying Circus

Late entry from me.... Will be a bit of a bad steal if I'm right.

[Lib] MPFC? NO.

Is the human part an internal organ?

Re improv - touché

Is the thing also the name of the show?

[Ig] Internal organ? NO
[rab] name of show=words on card (or selection of permutation of)? NO

First shown on the BBC?

[Ink] BBC? NO

First episode before 1970?

[Ink] Before 1970? YES (hint - we are talking about the show that hosted the first appearance of this character, not necessarily the show most associated with it.)

[all] Are some clues needed at this stage? This clue seems to be losing steam a bit after more than a week in play!

(or is everyone suffering from the rapid approach of the worst day of the year?

Was this children's TV?

Clues - yes, please.

[Ig] Children's TV? YES! *considerable applause*

Blue's First Clue: it is the abstract (i.e. fictional) part that contains that which is partially human and partially some other mammal - in other words, we're talking about an anthropomorphic character, not of some invented species, either.

A ventriloquist act?

Sooty?

[Ink] Wind-speaking? NO
[Raak] Carbonaceous Ursine? NO

Catweazle?

Is it a anthropomorphic character male?

Is the human part a pair of hands?

Quick check; The answer is not the title a 1960s(?) ITV childrens programme but a character from it? ...and that's all till tomorrow.

[Ig] Felis Mustela? NO
[Ink] Male? YES
[Ink] Hands? *applause and cheering* YES (not sure if it's a pair or just one).

Was this a Gerry Anderson series?

[Raak] Supermarionation? NO, MILADY

[Inks re: your quick check] That's completely correct.

String puppets of any sort?

[Raak] String puppets? NO

Cartoon/animation?

A shadow puppet?

Basil Brush?

I think Chalky has got it...

[rab] Animated? Like this game lately, NOT VERY! :)
[Raak] Shadow puppet? NO
[Chalky, you naughy victorous lurker] Basil Brush? YES!! BOOM BOOM. Basil first appeared in Peter Firmin's kids' show The Three Scampies in, I think it was 1968 but too lazy to go back and check on Wikipedia. For all I know the show was a drama rather than Basil's later chatshow-style shows, but I couldn't find that out. The animal element which is part of a human is the operator's hand in the puppet, the mineral the nylon from which I fondly fancy the puppet is fashioned, with a side-bet on some vegetable elements in his clothes too. The abstract element (incorporating more animal: i.e. anthropomorphic fox-man) is the fictional character of Basil. * gets a bag of aniseed balls, and gives that to Chalky, as there's no longer a fox to hunt * Tally Ho!

Oh, and well done to rab, Irouléguy and Inkspot for doing most of the heavy lifting, there!

Grr, Basil Brush passed through my mind but I rejected it for not being a sequence of four things, as suggested by the way you laid out your clue. Oh well, well done Chalky.

Congrats and welcome back, Chalky - I think it needed a fresh pair of eyes to get that.

Lurking and assorted pastimes

That'll teach me. I'll blame the pub quiz victory [the first time in 5 weeks] and the brandy.
'Tis grand to be back .. thanks to PJ for a very thorough set of responses and to rab, Raak, Iroulé, Inks et al for pointing the way :-)

How's about a V E G E T A B L E to ease me back into MC Land ..

Is it a fruit?

Well done Chalky, to think I dismissed BB and The Three Scampies as he is still going strong TV and was thinking along the lines of a character no longer shown. Hey ho!

Is it edible?

Is it paper?

Has it been in the current Film Club?

Alive?

Sorry for delay - couldn't get into server for some reason
[Inks] Fruit? YES!
[Raak] Paper? No
[Iroul] Current Film Club? Wassat then?
[Rosie] Alive? In the light of my reply to Inkspot, probably not relevant :-) Unless one can describe fruit as either alive or dead. In which case I would say either/or.

again

Apologies Iroulé - I now see what you mean.
Current Film Club? I don't think I can spot it.

One particular species of fruit?

A fruit salad?

Sorry - you didn't answer the edible question?

Star fruit?

[Irouléguy] One particular species? Oh yes.
[Rab] Fruit salad? No
[Rab] edible? YES! [sorry]
[Libs] Star fruit? No.

Is associated with being one particular colour?

[Inkspot] One particular colour? Yes.

Mangosteen?

(only in italics)

Strawberry?

Is its colour part of the fruit's name?

[CdM] Mangosteen? No
[Irouléguy] Strawberry? No
[irach] Colour part of fruit's name? No

Is the whole thing normally eaten including the skin/peel?

Is it grown in the UK?

Is it a citrus fruit?

[Inkspot] Eaten whole? Erm ... Yes
[rab] Grown in UK? I don't think so [meaning I can't find any real evidence of such]
[Raak] Citrus fruit? No

BTW - have just spotted a reference to this fruit in the current Film Club

Kumquat?

Mango?

Greengage?

[Lib] Kumquat? No
[irach] Mango? No
[Raak] Greengage? No

Tomato?

Gourd?

[Kim] Tomato? No
[Lib] Gourd? No

A chilli?

[Irouléguy] Chilli? No

Is it generally only used as part of a recipe (like a chilli) rather than on its own (like an apple)?

Is it normally cooked?

[rab] Part of a recipe or on its own? Good question - it is widely known as something that is part of a recipe [although I dare say one could eat it on its own]
[Rosie] Normally cooked? Another good question :-) No - not cooked as such.

Is it a type of dried fruit?

[Raak] A type of dried fruit? Noooo ... but keep going in that direction

Is it a fruit converted into a liquid form?

Would it be good in a cake?

Not necessarily going to help the guessing, but I need to know!

Raisin?

[Raak] Converted into liquid form? Yes it is! [to be clear - it doesn't have to be but is better known once it has been converted]
[Lib] Good in a cake? Doubtful but not a definite No :-)
[irach] Raisin? No

timetable

Can answer any more questions after 10.30 pm, so keep 'em coming

Grape?

Juniper

Tonights discoevery is that raspberry gin is a very good thing....

Is it red?

Is it green?

[irach[ Grape? YES! Now .... which one?
[Lib} Juniper? No ... I agree ... raspberry gin is indeed a fine thing
[Irouléguy] Red? Yes
[Inks] Green? nah

Italian red grape?

Pomegranate?

[Inks] Italian? Not known as such
[Phil] Pomegranate? No

Pinot noir?

Grenache?

Wait -- you said it was widely known (not that Grenache is that obscure, but still). How about
Syrah/Shiraz?

Chardonnay?

Merlot?

Cabernet sauvignon?

Zinfandel?

Now that I've noticed it's a grape :)

Muscat (variously spelled)?

[irach] Pinot noir? No
[CdM] Grenache? No
[CdM] Syrah/Shiraz? No
[Widely known/Obscure? I think I meant widely known for being a grape that is used for wine production rather than just eating :-)]
[rab] Chardonnay? No
[Inkspot] Merlot? No
[Irouléguy] Cab Sauv? No
[Phil] Zinfandel? No
[Raak] Moscato/Moscatell/Moscatel/Muscat? No

Gamay?

Irouléguy has it! The GAMAY grape is the answer. Here - have a glass - CHEERS :-)

Don't mind if I do - it is Friday. Cheers, Chalky! OK, our next is ABSTRACT and MINERAL with ANIMAL connections.

the salf of the earth?

That is, the salt of the earth?

A geographical feature?

To do with language?

Raak - The salt of the earth? No
Rosie - A geographical feature? Um...yes, in one sense
Projoy - To do with language? No

Is it a figurative expression?

Raak] Is it a figurative expression? Not a lot

An historical monument?

Is is a statue of someone?

Is it a sculpture?

Is it a piece of writing?

Kryptonite?

Man In The Moon?

Inkspot] An historical monument? *applause* No, but...
Kim] Is is a statue of someone? *more applause* No, but...
Projoy] Is it a sculpture? I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous answers.
rab] Is it a piece of writing? No
Raak] Kryptonite? No
irach] Man In The Moon? No

The Angel of the North?

Is it fictional/legendary?

Rosie] The Angel of the North? No
rab] Is it fictional/legendary? No

Is it artwork?

Is it a physical structure named for someone?

Is it the headquarters of some organisation?

Is it visible to the human eye?

Lib] Is it artwork? No
Raak] Is it a physical structure named for someone? Yeah, but yeah, but no (imagine it as three separate questions)
Rosie] Is it the headquarters of some organisation? No
rab] Is it visible to the human eye? Yes

An Olympic Torch?

rab] An Olympic Torch? No, but the Olympic torch has been there.

Is it manmade?

Mt Olympus?

Lib - Is it manmade? Yes
Projoy - Mt Olympus? No

Is it larger than a standard four bedroom detached house?

Or there abouts!

Lib] Is it larger than a standard four bedroom detached house? Yes

Is it ancient?

Rosie - Is it ancient? No

Is it in Europe?

Is it a building, i.e. a structure with storeys and rooms?

Is it unique?

We seem to be honing in on something very concrete, yet this thing is supposed to be ABSTRACT. I'm confused.

Is it a popular tourist attraction in the place where it is located?

Inkspot - Is it in Europe? Yes
Raak - Is it a building, i.e. a structure with storeys and rooms? No
CdM - Is it unique? Yes
I probably should have clued this as MINERAL and ABSTRACT - apologies for any confusions. It's another of those borderline ones, where it all depends on what you mean by 'abstract'. I do think there is an abstractness to it, though - it's a location, which i wouldn't describe as 'something very concrete'.
Kim - Is it a popular tourist attraction in the place where it is located? *ringing applause* YES!

Does a name appear on the card? (e.g., Anne Hathaway's standard four bedroom detached house)

[I] It doesn't sound like any apology is necessary; you did clue it as both mineral and abstract. Being confused is quite a normal state for me.

In the UK?

A sport venue?

Is it a piece of civil engineering?

CdM - Does a name appear on the card? A name, yes
CdM] I meant the order really. I read ABSTRACT and MINERAL as mostly abstract and a bit mineral, whereas it's more helpful to think of it as the other way round.
ImNotJohn - In the UK? Yes
Inkspot - A sport venue? No
Rosie - Is it a piece of civil engineering? Yes (according to the Wikipedia definition of CE).

Is it in London?

The London Eye?

rab] Is it in London? *applause* A capital answer
Inkspot - The London Eye? No

Trafalgar Square?

Cleopatra's Needle?

A bridge?

We have a winner - it's Trafalgar Square! A pigeon is winging its way to INJ with the baton.

somewhat shamefacedly

Nearly a lurker's victory - still I'll take it.

The next is ABSTRACT with ANIMAL connections

Animal = human?

A work of fiction?

An action?

[CdM] Human - Not necessarily, but YES is most helpful
[Irg] fiction - NO
[Inks] Action - NO

A figurative expression?

[Raak] A figurative expression? - NO

A character of myth or legend?

[Kim] Legendary character - NO

An emotion?

[Inkspot] emotion - NO

A symbol?

[Raak] symbol - NO

An action?

Is language involved?

A rite of passage?

[Rosie] Action - I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous answer
[Raak] Is language involved? - NO
[Inks] rite of passage - NO

A social connection?

re previous question - should've been in bed. Sorry.

Anarcho-syndicalism?

[Rosie] A social connection? - NO (in fact rather the reverse)
[CdM] Anarcho-syndicalism? - one day.... but not today

Connected with philosophy?

[CdM] Connected with philosophy - I'm sure you could find a philosopher who would say so, but my answer is NO

Is it a human invention/construct?

[Iroul] Human construct - NO (not this time)

Do I get some sort of prize for having the only question so far that has been answered with something other than 'NO'?

Is it something that applies to most humans?

A scientific law?

Could the animal be a cow?

[CdM] - NO
[Rosie] - Applies to most humans - YES
[Raak] scientific law - NO
[Inks] Could the animal be a cow - NO (Actually, I don't know - I would assume not. In any case it wouldn't help you to guess if the answer were yes.)

Is this an absence of something?

[Iroul] an - NO

To do with the mind?

[Raak] To do with the mind - NO

Solitude?

Is this a medical condition?

An undesirable characteristic?

[Raak] solitude - NO
[Chalky a medical condition - YES (applause)
[Rosie] An undesirable characteristic - 1)YES, 2)NO

Is it a subjective characteristic?

[PJ] subjective - NO

Do the symptoms of this condition manifest themselves externally?

[Chalky] external symptoms - YES

Are men and women equally likely to have this condition?

[Iroul] men & women equally - YES

A neurological syndrome named after a person?

[Irach] neurological syndrome named after a person? - NO and NO

Is it caused by an external pathogen, e.g. virus or bacterium

Is it a common complaint?

[irach] caused by an external pathogen - YES
[Kim] common complaint - YES (applause)

A cold?

I wonder why I thought of that one.

And The Common Cold it is. (or cobbod code, as I would have said 3 days ago) -
Over to Rab

I feel we've had too many abstracts, but the only things I can think of right now are ABSTRACT. So there we go.

(I've chosen only one of them!)

Abstraction?

Nope.

Further reading suggests a possible mineral component.

A stony silence?

Human construct?

[Rosie] No.
[CdM] I don't believe so (the existence of humans is not - as far as I know - conditional on its existence)

A physical phenomenon?

Yes

Could life exist without it?

I expect so.

An astronomical phenomenon?

Possibly, but I would suspect only indirectly.

The tides?

The aurora borealis?

[Rosie] It would be more than a suspicion if it were the tides!

[Irouléguy] No.

An astrological phenomenon?

To do with the weather?

[Raak] No.

[Inkspot] YES!

Is it a wind?

To do with global warming?

The atmosphere?

[Inkspot] Wind is involved.

[Raak] Maybe, not sure.

[irach] "The atmosphere" are not the words that appear on the card.

The ozone hole?

Le mistral?

Jet stream?

[Raak] No.

[Irouléguy] No.

[irach] No.

Does it involve high winds?

Tornado?

[Raak] Yes.

[irach] No.

A hurricane?

Cyclone/

[Raak] No.
[irach] No\

Is the possible mineral component water?

Yes.

A perfect storm?

"The Tempest"?

El Nino?

A storm surge?

It seems that the thing I've chosen is not particularly well-defined but I believe that my answers are consistent with most people's understanding of what this us.

[Raak, irach, CdM, Rosie] No.

s/us/is

Is this associated with a particular part of the world?

Does it at ground level?

Is the abstractness anything to do with literature?

[Irouléguy] Yes. *applause*
[Inkspot] Does it what at ground level?
[Raak] No - not a human creation.

The global conveyer

(it is associated with a particular part of the world, albeit a very large part)

Is it seasonal?

[rab]That's what happens from simulposting the same thing then trying to think of something else, all before the first cup of tea of the morning.

Is it in the northern hemisphere?

El Niño?

The monsoon?

[Raak] Certainly associated with the northern hemisphere, but not sure if it's confined to it.

[Rosie] I wouldn't be that pedantic (see CdM's last guess).

[Ir] Nope.

The doldrums?

Is it a specific named wind like the monsoon?

Trade Winds?

Trans-Atlantic Drift?

Low Bailey 986 expected South Utsire 971 by this time tomorrow?

Is the wind associated with this phenomenon always from a particular direction, more or less?

(rab) Sorry, didn't see CdM's El Nino. I'm sure he pronounced it right, though.

[Inkspot] Not the doldrums.
[Irouléguy] The least misleading answer is probably 'no'. I'll elucidate further later if need be.
[irach] Not trade winds.
[Chalky] Nor a Trans-Atlantic Drift, although one or two audience members have woken up.
[Rosie] Low Bailey... 'fraid not.
[Rosie] Again not sure, but with 95% certainty I would say YES!

(that last to Rosie's direction question, and a different one-or-two audience members are starting to look agitated)

Does the answer on the card contain a geographical reference?

[Rab] You didn't answer a couple of earlier questions - 'Is it seasonal?' and 'The global conveyor?'

[ImNotJohn] YES! *applause*
Whoops - seasonal yeah, global conveyor no.

The Azores High?

Nope.

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