mc5 - AVMA Take 2

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AVMA Take 2

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Yes, it's another round of that classic guessing game - Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Abstract [or any combination thereof]. This effort - '03/'04 should address any queries, but then again, may just serve to confuse and baffle which some might say is the point of the game. Patience, integrity and a decent search engine may be useful ....

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Is this a form of revolution?

[Chalks] 5 rings - NO
[Rosie] H&S Gestapo? - NO
[Duj] Uprising? - NO you are all drifting away from ABSTRACT.

CLUE: there is more than one of these

The real Chalky

Is it a Lifestyle Choice?

Softers - please can you do a summary to say what it's NOT. Ta :-)

[Chalks] My way? - NO anyone can do it, most do.

SUMMARY - Concentrate on the ABSTRACT. It is not: a fairy story, a life choice, a saying, a game, a passtime, scientific, religious or other social theory, nothing to do with language, politics philosophy or art. ANIMAL connection is strong the others less so. Good luck, it ain't that hard!

Is it culture-specific?

[CdM] Foible? - YES - well to qualify, the AOTC is AFIK but the principle isn't

Associated primarily with the UK?

[CdM] Blighty? - YES, primarily, the AOTC is anyway.

Is it an activity, i.e. something that one does?

[Phil] Out and about? - YES and NO, perhaps is the best answer.

Is the AOTC a present participle?

as "yes and no" isn't a very useful answer :)

[Phil] Grammatical? NO The AOTC has 3 words none of which are the definite or indefinite article. Hint: When the question was set it was in the future, now it is in the past.

Does the AOTC define/describe a period of time?

The August Bank Holiday Weekend?

[Phil] Time slot? - YES
[GL] August Bank Holiday - YES!

Hurrah! * hands over Brighton rock shaped sticky baton to GL at last *

Well, that took a pointlessly long time. So, a simple ANIMAL this time.

Is it human?

[Software] were the mineral and vegetable connections the bank?

[Phil] - Human? YES have a baton. (I said it was easy)

Hahaha! Why thank you, GL!
OK, so the next one is

ANIMAL & VEGETABLE

Is the vegetable wood?

Food or drink?

[GL] Wood? NO
[Raak] Food/Drink? YES *Some early applause*

A falling out between you and Rosie?

[Dujon] Me and the old geezer coming to blows? NO!

Hidden text

I'd love to know who's the vegetable...actually, maybe I wouldn't :-)

Meat and two veg?

Is it a sandwich?

[Raak] Meat+2Veg? NO
[Chalky] Sarnie? NO

Pork scratchings?

Does it need to be cooked?

[Software] Scratchings? NO
[Rosie] Need to be cooked? NO (although a perverse minuscule part of me wants to say YES)

Is the vegetable to be found in a greengrocer's?

I decline to answer your previous question (hidden) on the ground that ... ;)

[Dujon] Greengrocer's vegetable? NO

Is it an animal product?

Is the animal fish?

[Chalky] Animal product? YES *a little applause*
[GL] Fish? NO

A traditional British sausage (50% breadcrumbs)?

Is dairy produce involved?

[Raak] A banger? NO
[GL] Dairy involved? YES *some more applause*

A pizza?

Does the AOTC include a reference to a U.K. country?

Is cheese the animal element?

[Rosie] Pizza? NO
[Dujon] UK reference? NO
[Chalky] and cheesey? NO

Is it sweet rather than savoury?

[CdM] Sweet? The AOTC is not sweet.

Is yoghurt involved?

[GL] Yoghurt? NO

Is the vegetable element made from grain?

[cfm] Grain? NO

Milk?

[Software] Milk? YES, milk is involved *applause*

Are cookies also involved?

[Raak] Cookie? NO

Is it in anyway responsible for bringing boys to the yard?

[GL/Kelis] Your milkshake? NO

Ambrosia Creamed Rice?

[Chalky] Devon knows how they make it so creamy? NO

Is it casein?

[Software] Casein? NO

A comment

Rosie's question "Does it need to be cooked?" continues to weigh on my mind. No Anglophone would say that they cook the Answer on the Card, but cooking of some sort or other is involved in the process of turning naturally occurring ingredients into the AOTC.

Is it a salad of some sort?

Weirdly enough .. the cooking thing .. was the one reply which has completely thrown my train of thought ...

A biscuit of some kind?

[Chalky] Salady? NO
[Rosie] Biscuity? NO

Butter?

Custard?

[Chalky] Butter? NO
[GL] Custard? NO

OH NO !!!!!

I've just reviewed my answers and noticed that when Chalky asked "Is it an animal product", I said "YES". I should specify that only the animal part is an animal product, the vegetable part isn't. Hope that helps ! :-)

PANIC OVER!!!

[Phil] Fret ye not - that's what I meant.
In summary: The AOTC is 'Animal Product' plus a 'Vegetable' (but not a vegetable to be found in a greengrocer) somehow linked together. Edible/Potable. Doesn't need to be cooked. Milk is involved.
I'll now ask a question, if I may ...

Is there an alcoholic content to this?

[Chalky] Alcoholic? NO

A bit more summary

One would not "cook" the AOTC but some form of "cooking" is involved at some point in creating the AOTC from naturally occurring ingredients.

Is yeast involved?

[Phil] Thanks - I was thinking fermentation - hence the alcohol question.

[Chalky] Yeast? NO

Sour cream and chive flavoured crisps?

A hint...

A follow-up to the 2nd question asked (Rosie's first) would be useful.

Drink?

[Chalky] Drink? YES *relieved applause*

A skinny latte or somesuchlike?

[Chalky] A latte? CORRECT. Congratulations! Now does my dithering over "cooked" make sense? Anyway, have this tax-avoiding baton...

Thanks Phil - we managed to sort that one out between ourselves :)
*raises a tasse of full fatte latte*

Staying with the Keep It Simple agenda - here's a lively little A N I M A L

Human?

[Rosie] Human? YES

Is/was this person short in stature?

[Dujon] Is/was this person short in stature? YES

Napoleon?

[Software] Napoleon? NO

Is this person alive?

[Software] Napoleon wasn't short, apparently, he was just portrayed as short for propaganda purposes. A bit of googling, and my suspicions are confirmed. He was about 5'7" (1.70m), over 2 inches taller than average for France at the time, and just about exactly average for the UK. Reference here

[Phil] Is this person alive? YES
re. Boney - grossly misrepresented ... poor sod.

An entertainer?

Does this person have a name consisting of two identical syllables?

[Rosie] An entertainer? NO
[Dujon] A name consisting of two identical syllables? NO

Nicolas Sarkozy?

keeping with the French theme ...

There's a French theme..???

[Software] Nicolas Sarkozy? NON

Sandy Toksvig?

(Appolgies for the spelling I don't have time to check it.)

[GL] Sandy Toksvig? NO

John Bercow?

[Rosie] John Bercow? NO

This is supposed to be a nice easy quick one - random guesses of allegedly vertically-challenged individuals will lead nowhere .. and I'm already bored

Male?

British?

Under 35?

3 yesses!

[Rosie] Male? YES
[Software] British? YES
[Gusset Login] Under 35? YES

Is he a 'child prodigy'?

[Dujon] Child prodigy? Not exactly a prodigy ..*huge cheer from audience*

George, prince of cambridge?

YES - the very chap! HRH George, Prince of Cambridge.
*Hands silver-spoon shaped baton to Gusset Login*

Thank you. I guess he is a little short for a stormtrooper.

OK. This one is a MINERAL with possible abstract and animal connections.

Is this a unique object?

Metallic?

Manufactured?

[Phil] Unique? YES
[Software] Metal? NO
[Rosie] Manufactured? Um... it is man-made, if that's what you mean, but not mass produced, obviously.

A monument or statue?

[Software] Monument or Statue? YES. *Applause*

In England?

[Rosie] England? NO.

A well known male sans fig leaf?

[Dujon] A well known male without a fig leaf? As written, the answer has to be 'partly'. As intended, the answer would be very much NO. Take your pick.

Rodin's The Thinker?

[Software] The thinker? NO.

To clarify my answer to Dujon, the AOTC involves the image of a man who is not wearing a fig leaf but does not involve naked men in any way that I know of.

Is it a statue of just one person?

A political figure?

In Europe?

[Phil] A statue of just one person? The statue part of it is of one person.
[Rosie] A political figure? YES.
[Software] In Europe? NO.

In America?

[Gravy] 'Mer'ca? Yes

The Lincoln Monument?

Does the word Washington appear on the card?

[Dujon] Does Washington feature? NO
[Phil] Lincoln Monument/Memorial? YES. Have a baton purchased from the John Wilkes booth.

I have to give credit to the film "Night at the Museum 2" for raising my awareness of the Lincoln Monument, and more recently the 50th anniversary of the "I have a dream" speech, without which I would never have guessed that.
Anyway, onwards and upwards....our next AVMA is

Abstract with Animal

Is it a sandwich?

[Chalky] A sandwich? Alas, NO

Phrase or saying?

[Software] Phrase or saying? NO

One of the Seven Deadly Sins?

... or all of them?

[Chalky] A sin or seven? NO

A fictional person?

Grand Theft Auto V?

[GL] A fictional person? On this occasion I'll be generous and allow you the two questions in one - YES and NO
[Chalky] GTA V? NO

A fictional animal?

[Chalky] Fictional animal? YES *some applause*

A mermaid?

skippy?

A named individual fictional animal?

[Software] Mermaid? NO
[GL] Skippy? NO
[Raak] Named individual fictional animal? YES *a little more applause*

Created by A.A.Milne?

Has this named fictional animal appeared in more than one of the following media: book, film, TV, radio, grand opera?

[Dujon] A.A.Milne? NO
[CdM] In more than one of: book. film, TV, radio, grand opera? YES

A Disney character?

[Lovely Gravy] Disney? NO

Human?

Nobody has checked this yet.

Dog?

[Software] Actually, I did.

Was the creator male?

[Software] Human? NO (yes to fictional animal, no to fictional person, hence not a person. You are correct that nobody asked that question directly though)
[GL] Dog? YES *more applause*
[Dujon] Male creator? YES

Any connection with the Simpsons?

[Lovely G] Connection with the Simpsons? YES, but not an important connection, IMHO.

Greyfriar's Bobby?

Did this character first appear in print?

Did they first appear on TV?

[Software] Greyfriar's Bobby? NO
[Dujon] First appearance in print? YES
[GL] First appearance on TV? NO (see above)

Lassie?

[Ye Olde Softeware] Lassie? NO

Was s/he introduced in a childrens' story?

[Dujon] In a children's story? NO

Astonised of Berkshire

Ooops, not sure what happened there, but I thought I'd add a summary, just to help out, as I thought this would be simple. Not that there's much to summarize.
This is a fictional dog; created by a man; has appeared in multiple media (from the list: book, film, tv, radio, Grand Opera), but first appeared in print; has a slight link to The Simpsons (which is unlikely to be useful).
The AOTC was not created by A.A.Milne; is not a Disney character; is neither Greyfriars Bobby nor Lassie; was not introduced in a children's story.

The hound of the baskervilles?

[GL] HotB? NO

Toto

[Chalky] Toto? NONO

Created by Homer?

[Dujon] A Homeric character? NO

A clue

An assumption appears to have been made.

Is it a cartoon dog?

.. such as Scooby Doo?

[Chalky] A cartoon dog? YES *Much applause*
[Ibid.] Scooby Doo? NO *oohs, aahs and groans of disappointment*

Snoopy?

and the Red Baron

[Software] Snoopy? YES!
My childhood hero. I still drink out of a Snoopy mug at work, which even has a Snoopy stand to sit on. Such is my fondness for the special beagle, that when I tried this AVMA on family members, and as soon as I said "fictional dog", they guessed it. The assumption, of course, was that "print" referred to books. Also, The Simpsons makes several nods in the direction of Peanuts and Snoopy - e.g. "Hungry, Hungry Homer" which was on C4 last week finds Homer asleep on top of the kennel, and Bart says "Good grief!" more here.
Here, Software, take this flying helmet, goggles and scarf set - may it serve you well!

Well, well. I'm getting too good at this.

Can I think of something that won't cause as much trouble as last time?

Let's try this, then:

MINERAL with ANIMAL and Vegetable connections.

Sorry Software - too complicated - only kidding.
But whilst we're about it, PLEASE answer the questions in a straightforward manner ... takes bloody ages to work out what you're trying to reply to usually! ;-)

:o(

Sorry, sorry, sorry ...

A building?

Margarine?

A planet?

Man-made?

[Raak] A building? - NO (not as such)
[Phil] Margarine? - NO can tell talk from mutter
[GL] A planet - NO * some discussion and shuffling among the andience *
[Rosie] Man made? - YES

A satellite?

An international project?

[Phil] Satellite? - YES
[Duj] International? - YES

The ISS?

[Raak} ISS? - YES!

Please accept this SpaceX shaped baton

The next is, nowdays, mostly MINERAL.

man made?

Yes, man made

Is it something that was previously made from wood?

Ex-wood? No.

Concrete?

[Software] *amusement in the audience* Not concrete.

Made of plastic?

< Toaster < ?

[Rosie] Not really made of plastic, as ordinary people use the word, but an industrial chemist might disagree.
[Software} Bigger than a toaster.

Does it have moving parts?

[LG] *more amusement* It certainly does.

Is it elastic?

Something to support or suspend a human?

[Phil] Not elastic.
[Dujon] Yes! It supports or suspends a human. That might give slightly the wrong idea, but it definitely does that.

Might this be found in a fairground?

[LG] Not in a fairground.

Float on water?

[Software] About as well as a dog walks on its hind legs.

Is it primarily a form of transportation?

Some form of seating?

[LG] *applause* It is a form of transportation.
[Rosie] Not a form of seating.

Is it a form of footwear?

[Phil] Not footwear.

Does it have two wheels?

Swing bridge?

[LG] Does not have two wheels.
[Software] Not a swing bridge.

Is it "traditional" such as a rickshaw?

[Rosie] Not traditional.

Does it have wheels?

[Phil] No wheels at all.

Is the 'transportation' generally vertical?

[Dujon] Exclusively vertical, as in a lift? No.

Bobsleigh?

[GL] Not a bobsleigh.

Does on stand on it?

Might this be found at an airport?

[Phil] Interpreting the preposition strictly, one does not stand on this.
[LG] Not primarily found at airports.

Hang glider?

Is it a form of airborne transport?

[GL] Not a hang glider.
[Phil] *applause* Yes! A form of airborne transport.

Parachute?

Is heated air an important part of its propulsion?

[GL] Not a parachute.
[Dujon] *cheering* Yes! Heated air! Therefore it is...?

a political campain?

A hot-air balloon?

(GL) I can see your point, but it's Mineral. :-)

[GL] Not a political campaign.
[Rosie] A hot air balloon! Hold this mooring cable for a moment, will you? Oops...don't let go!

Oh shoot!

I was thinking hot-air balloon when I asked my last question, but didn't want to make the leap of faith. Congrats, Rosie.

Moving parts? Where exactly?

Also, did not get the 'dog on hind legs' reference to its ability to float on water. Surely an inflated balloon would float very well.

[LG] The whole thing moves! The gondola wouldn't float very well, and once the water puts the fire out, neither will the balloon.

Yay! Let's hear it for Charles' Law.

OK, this next one is

ABSTRACT with ANIMAL CONNECTIONS

Are the animal connections of a human nature?

(Phil) Human? Just about, i.e. YES

Phrase or saying?

(Softers) Not a phrase or saying.

Is the abstract a human behaviour?

(Duj) Not a human beviour.

Is there a connection to football?

Or is there a connection to the Tory Party?

Is it an institution or organisation type thing?

(CdM) It would take a conspiracy theorist of a high order to connect this with either of your suggestions.
(Phil) Strictly no, but possibly in a figurative sense.

Fictional?

Is there a misical connection?

Sorry, musical

(LG) Essentially no musical connection.

Fictional human(ish)?

(Softers) No. Real humans.

Is it a system of government?

(GL) Not a form of government. *slight amusement in the audience*

If not strictly an organisation, is it an informal collective of individuals?

(LG) Rather the opposite of informal.

OK then, a formal collective of individuals?

(Phil) Not a collective.
A different tack is needed.

Related to media?

(cfm) Media-related? YES.

A business cabal of some kind?

(Dujon) Not a business cabal.

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