mc5 - Animal-Vegetable-Mineral-Abstract: The Pants Memorial Game

Is this character still on TV?

Not including repeats.

Bob - no. CdM - 99.9% sure, yes. Boolbar - well, he's supposed to be making a new appearance, but then again you can never tell these days. But I'll say YES in this case.

[Darren] Now that should ring a bell - but it doesn't.

snorgle

The Doctor?

I guess he's not human, but I'll throw him in anyway..

Ken?

Manager and next-door neighbour to John Shuttleworth?

In that case, is it John Shuttleworth?

David Brent?

Winchester...

Chalky] Winchester as in Hampshire, England? I live not more than 20 miles from there! Have I missed it?

As we speak...

Zounds! They really don't publicise these things, do they?
Or am I just not alert?

Anything to do with Monty Python or related personae?

Better take a proper stance...

plump

Alf Garnet

Silly Moo

snorgle - no. Boolbar - no. Bob - no. Tuj - no. plump - no. Raak - YESSSS!!!!

Raak is CORRECT!!!! Raak is the next chairhostpersonman.

AUDIENCE GOES WILD!

Woohoo for Raaaaaak

Well done Raak - s'about time you had a crack at being in the chair.
[Darren] Was David Brent really on the radio at first?? If he was, I certainly missed a trick - that's why I didn't offer him as a guess.
[Tuj] Re ISIHAC I'll transfer to the Banter Game with my reply.

[Chalky] Well, I don't think he had that name. I was going by my recollections of the documentary on the Office series 1 DVD, where they mentioned Ricky Gervais was working as a DJ and had a character called "Seedy Boss" or something, which Stephen Merchant made a short film about which became the precursor of episode 1. Of course, I might have got that all screwy in my head.

(that's a radio DJ I mean)

Showing Ignorance

Who on Earth is David Brent? I suppose I could google, but couldn't be bothered. ... :-(

Personalities

I suppose that I should post this elsewhere but, whilst we await the ghost of Raak to appear: Being resident of territory outside the U.K. things can, and do, become difficult at times. Take Celebdaq; I try hard (sniggers) but honestly do not know 90% of the names which appear on the various lists! Sigh! Still, maybe it is not such a disadvantage? Whilst any refugee from MWP will now proceed to howl me down, I partake in a 'football' league which concentrates on the EPL. After the first month, guess who led the pack! All right, sorry; I shall now sink back into anonymity ... ;-)

Even more ignorance

Dujon] I am a UK resident and I don't know who David Brent is either...

This is MINERAL and ABSTRACT.

For those not yet on the same page, David Brent is the principal character of the award-winning sitcom "The Office", and is played by Ricky Gervais. I've only seen one or two episodes, but it is truly excellent. I didn't know it began as a radio show though.

Is it fictional/mytical/...?

As far as you know, does it exist soley on the planet Earth?

Unlike one Btd ;o)

rab: er...bit of a judgement call, that one. Bob the dog: yes.

Is it unique being only one of its kind?

Has it been touched by human hand?

Trying to establish in what sense it's 'abstract'...

Inkspot: yes. rab: no -- if it could be touched, it wouldn't be abstract, surely?

Is it the Holy Grail?

Just jumping in on the off-chance.

and if not... is it a metal object?

covering two bases...

Does it exist in printed form?

LotUS: no; yes, mostly, I think. Btd: while it has been written about, the thing itself is not something printed.

The Pearly Gates?

Has it religious connections?

Wild stab and a question. Back to the grind stone!

An aethiometer?

I think Inkspot is on to something here...

Is it a weapon?

Inkspot: no, and no. Btd: no. LotUS: YES!

snorgle

Excalibur?

Is it the dagger the lady McBethh saw?

Just thinking of a weapon that could not be touched, and has been written about.

snorgle

The Sword in the Stone

As I think it's a different sword than Excalibur.

The Sword of Damocles?

If not, is it *a* sword?

snorgle: no. Inkspot: no. snorgle: no. Ibid: no, and no.

[Raak] I think we're misunderstanding each other - if it's not mythical, then surely it exists and has been touched by human hand... but anyway, the two things I was thinking (Holy Grail and Excalibur) have both been suggested so I'll pass, and these are both wrong anyway....

Thor's hammer - Mjollnir?

Is it a bladed weapon?

Was it written about in a play (first)?

Is it associated with a particular culture?

rab]I think the misunderstanding may go back a bit as something fictional does not necessarily have to be mythical, other than that I'm still stabbing in the dark.

DrQu+xum

Does it involve ballistics?

LotUS: no, and no. rab: no. Inkspot: yes. DrQ: YES.

[Inkspot] Yes, it's definitely not mythical; fictional is very close although not quite bang on.

Is it the Ancient Mariner's crossbow that shot the Albatross?

Is it a firearm?

Is it featured in poetry?

Did it make it's literary debut in the last 100 years?

Is it C S Forester's eponymous gun?

Is it from a song?

Who killed cock robin?
I said the lion and quite tasty he was too!

Boolbar: no. LotUS: no. Btd: no. rab: yes. Wol: no. Inkspot: no.

I'll give you a hint: literature is the wrong path to go down.

Correction

My answer to LotUS should be "that could be a part of it".

Does it feature in a computer game? Doom's BFG perhaps?

Is it a vehicle (whereof a ballistic weapon is a part)?

Would it need a human to use this weapon?

or is it some sort of automatic weapon?

rab: It probably has done; not BFG. Wol: that would be a part of it. Boolbar: yes

Wol gets a ripple of pre-ejaculatory excitement from the audience.

Is it featured in a movie?

Is it a weapon that could exist in the future (but doesn't at the moment)?

Is it Iraq's WMD?

... perplexed by the 'not exactly fictional' bit.

Btd: It will be. :-) Boolbar: yes. Wol: YESYESYESYES!!!

Not fictional, in the sense of a work of literature; fictional, in the sense of (I am assuming) not actually existing.

Wol has the chair.

Donald Rumsfeld

WMD

But they do exist! I distinctly recall selling them to Sadd... er.. I mean... ACT PATRIOTIC! *runs*

Oooh, this is exciting. ABSTRACT.

Does it have a religious aspect?

Is it in a film?

Is it an emotion?

DrQu+xum

Does it exist *solely* on Earth?

Can it be measured by science?

Raak] Lovely!

Ibid - no; Boolbar - quite possibly, but only incidentally; LotUS - no; DrQ - no; Btd - no.

A force of nature?

actually ...

DrQ - in fairness, yes. And Chalky - no.

Is it something that we can see?

Is it an idea?

... yes, I was wonderin' about your answer to the 'solely on earth' question

Is it fictional?

Chalky - no. (re 'solely on earth' - 'no' is accurate, in one way, but just not fair). Raak - er, yes.

Has it been written about?

Chalky - quite possibly, but only incidentally.

Is it used to scare small children?

Does it have a basis in a religion?

Do many people believe it exists?

Do many people believe it doesn't exist?

Do many people have no opinion either way?

Boolbar - no; Btd - no; Raak/Darren - its existence is not in doubt.

Is it singular?

Is it something we can see?

Repeating Boolbar's one that appears to have been missed unless my eyes are playing up again...

Ibid - it's collectively a single thing; and no (sorry, Boolbar!).

Is it a religion itself?

(though I suppose it could scare small children)

MF - no.

Is it something associated with living things?

Could it exist without the presence of Man?

I'm stuck already!

Is it an organisation?

Is it connected with the arts?

Darren - no, not really (I think I'm not entirely sure what you mean, actually). Inkspot - well, it's (er) fictional (see Raak above), so it needs/ed a creator. Other than that, I suppose it could. Raak - no. Chalky - YES! (Is this the breakthrough we need?) Night night all ...

Music?

Is it a particular artwork?

CdM

I think I've got it!

Is it the second violin's part in the third movement of Mendelssohn's 4th symphony?

Is this a particular painting?

Darn it; sorry, Darren - I still have not replaced my spectacles (the ones which are well past their 'use by date'. The brain is still being analysed by the experts.

Is it an opera?

Is it rock music? (abstract & mineral, hehehe)

Is it a collection of some kiind

kind, rather

Morning folks. Chalky - yes (so, Dujon - no); Darren/MF - it's collectively a single thing; CdM - do you really think I'd do that? Raak - no; Darren - no.

So is that a yes?

...like the Four Seasons or something?

MF - yes; like that, or something.

Is it European?

Has its existence been known about for more than 100 years?

Breadmaster

Is its composer still alive?

Raak - yes; Inkspot - yes; Bm - no.

Was it composed in the eighteenth century?

German?

Vocal music?

Elgar's Enigma variations?

The Planet Suite - Gustav Holst?

Boolbar - yes! rab - yes! Raak - no. Ibid/Chalky - no (Chalky - 1910 or thereabouts, I think!) Nearly there, surely.

Beethoven?

Was it composed by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart?

I always get confused between German and Austrian composers.

Chalky - no. Boolbar - no.

Schubert?

Boolbar - Me too. I have a feeling that Schubert was Austrian. *wnaders off for a google*

Wagner?

Noe he was definitely deutsch.

Brahms? as in Lullaby

may as well eliminate the obvious

Handel? as in Water Musik

am I the only one guessing now?

Franz Joseph Haydn?

Canons by J. S. Bach?

Brandenberg Concerto No 3?

Something by Bach?

DrQu+xum

Something by one of the Strausses?

[Chalky] Wasn't Brahms Hungarian?

[DrQ] Definitely German - born in Hamburg. You may be thinking of the 'Brahms & Liszt' euphemism? Now Franz Liszt was Hungarian. Also, the Strausses were quite Viennese - Austrian.
Wonder where Wol's got to - leaving us all-a-dangling ....

Sorry, sorry - life impinged for loonger than it should have done this afternoon. Where are we? Chalky/Chalky/Chalkiy/Boolbar/Inkspot/rab/DrQ - no. Raak - yes! (and I'll be kind - there were some 2 or 3 dozen Bach composers spread over 7 generations; it's JS you'll be meaning, I suppose).

Is it a sonata?

Bach's Toccata & Fugue in something minor?

Well-tempered clavier? Concerto?

as above - in 'D' minor?

Re-phrasing - Toccata & Fugue in D Minor?

sorry - simulposted with the rabster and missed the alert

Is this music to be played by a single performer?

The St John Passion ?

Bach's complete works?

Raak - a bit wide!; Btd - no; Chalky/Boolbar - no; rab - YES!!!! and no ...
Bach's 48 Preludes and Fugues it is. Well done, folks - and over to rab.

Bows

Crikee, I wasn't expecting that.

Ok mine is mostly VEGETABLE and ABSTRACT.

I'm leaving the office now, so unless I log on at home tonight, don't expect any answers until tomorrow.

Is it a painting?

- continuing the theme

Look you Bach

Wol]Which of rab's two questions were correct, at the moment I can't see the connection to the "Bach's 48 Preludes and Fugues". How wide of the mark was Raak?

Bach-fach

I think it was rab's "Well-tempered clavier" post that hit the spot. Raak was absolutely on the money if you discount everything Bach ever wrote apart from the 48 preludes and fugues.

Is is something disgusting by Damien Hurst?

Is it artistic?

[Inkspot] Bach's complete works cover around 150 CDs; the Well-Tempered Clavier (the name given to the two books of preludes and fugues - 2 of each in each major and minor key, totalling 48) covers four.

Some sort of sci-fi monster?

polite pianos

Kim/Wol]thank you for the clarification. I had not heard of the Well-Tempered Clavier before, and I won't embarass myself any further by describing the scene in a smithy that jumped to mind when I saw it.

MF: no. Kim: no. Raak: no. Tuj: no.

[Raak] Depends what you mean by artistic of course, but to answer anything but no would lead you up the garden path.

Something to do with food?

Oh, is it the garden path you threatened to lead us up?

Dazed5

Sticking my oar in

I remember well the Jacques Loussier version of Bachs' Well-Tempered Clavier. It was an ear-opener. To this puzzle, I ask the question...is it a triffid?

Catching a crab?

Prawns are my thing - still, just following D5

Ignore that! - too many vinos.

The Enormous Turnip?

Back to the matter at hand!

The Giant Peach?

Just getting a couple of childrens favourites off my chest.

Is it Treebeard?

No to all, except Darren's first (something to do with food).

Breadmaster

Is it a recipe?

I'm sure I've asked this before, but we're not taking "fictional" to be a subset of "abstract", are we? Because they mean quite different things. A fictional individual is no more abstract than a real one, it's just fictional. Now, the idea of a thing, fictional or real, may be abstract. But anyone who proposes "The idea of X" as a subject should be expelled and shot, naturally.

BM: No

I was taking 'Abstract' to mean something which exists in people's mind/consciousness and is either impossible or unlikely to exist in a physically tangible form. *disappears up arse*.

By your definition Raak's WMD were not abstract.

Does it feature in a film?

Is it the taste of something?

Does it appear in a book?

Boolbar, Raak, Ibid: no

Is the vegetable part something that can exist (in a non-abstract way)?

ie. The Apple that tempted Eve is V/A but an apple can be V/Non-A.

Boolbar: Yes

Is it a singular item?

Breadmaster

Is it in a song?

[rab] But that's not what "sbstract" means, is it? Abstractness and reality are different things, I'd have thought. WMD aren't abstract, whether they exist or not. The boiling point of water is the kind of thing that's abstract. Of course we can make it a convention in this game that "abstract" covers fictional entities too, but I just wanted to check whether that is the case or not *remains firmly up arse, whence he has never emerged yet*

Is there fruit involved in this?

The Aubergine of Doubt?

Is it a tree of some sort?

Is it food for thought?

Is it a mixture of vegetable ingredients?

Genetically Modified Foods?

As far as I can make out - the Vegetable part [the main part] is real and tangible - the Abstract part, I'm assuming, is something intangible that in some way can affect the vegetable part. Although, having said that I do not wish to take issue with whatever is up anyone else's arse.

Inkspot: yes; Breadmaster: no; Ibid: no; Raak: no; Boolbar: no; Bob the dog (i) no (ii) yes; Chalky: no

[Breadmaster] When we find out what it is we can argue the toss as to how abstract it is. As far as I'm concerned there's at least one compelling reason why it should be described as abstract, possibly two.

[Chalky] Pretty much yes.

Is is a recipie?

Kim: neither a recipie nor a recipe, no.

*blushes*

Have we ascertained whether it's edible? Erm . . .Is it?

Chalky: yes!

Is it "having your cake and eating it"?

Is it a saying?

As flat as a pancake; would that count as 'Animal and Abstract'?

Boolbar: no; Inkspot: yes

What animal is a pancake made from? I would argue a saying is abstract: it's neither animal, mineral or vegetable.

Actually it's not quite a saying, but close enough to have answered 'yes' to that question.

Is it a traffic jam?

Is it savoury?

Bob: no to both

Is the vegetable part a root vegetable?

Is it being in a pickle?

Inkspot: see below; Boolbar: no.

[Inkspot] We've already ascertained that it's a compound of more than one vegetable (which I'm taking in a more general sense to mean 'plant'); at least one of the components looks like it might be a root vegetable, but my knowledge of horticulture is not that extensive, nor is google being much help. Sorry.

Is it the best thing since sliced bread?

Is it sweet?

MF: no; BtD: YES!

Does it involve chocolate?

Lib

Is it green tomato chutney?

Is it confectionery of some sort?

Lib: whatever gave you that idea?? Boolbar: yes rendering Raak's question redundant.

Is it the cake I can't have and eat?

I know it isn't, but I just had to ask

Lib

Is it deep fried corgettes coated in chocolate batter with a side serving of spinach?

[rab] No reason.

Is it the box of chocolates which life isn't like, whatever the film version of Forrest Gump would try to make you believe

I mean, I don't know what US chocolates are like, but UK boxes of chocolates come with a helpful description of what shape is what flavour, and they don't tend to change much from year to year...

Lib: it's more abstract than that! Ibid: less tenous, I think...

Actually, thinking about it, Raak's question is somehow more specific than Boolbars, at the same time as being more general, so I shall honour it with a 'yes'.

Well, I don't know anymore chocolate related sayings (apart from 'give me chocolate or give me death' that one woman I used to know used to declare loudly)

Is it hot chocolate?

Is it a quote?

For example "There are four basic food groups, milk chocolate, dark chocolate, white chocolate, and chocolate truffles."

Darren: no; BtD: no...

...at least not in the sense you mean it (i.e. something that is attributable to someone).

Is it a slogan / advertising copy?