I'm sure I've asked this before, but we're not taking "fictional" to be a subset of "abstract", are we? Because they mean quite different things. A fictional individual is no more abstract than a real one, it's just fictional. Now, the idea of a thing, fictional or real, may be abstract. But anyone who proposes "The idea of X" as a subject should be expelled and shot, naturally.

I was taking 'Abstract' to mean something which exists in people's mind/consciousness and is either impossible or unlikely to exist in a physically tangible form. *disappears up arse*.

By your definition Raak's WMD were not abstract.

ie. The Apple that tempted Eve is V/A but an apple can be V/Non-A.

[rab] But that's not what "sbstract" means, is it? Abstractness and reality are different things, I'd have thought. WMD aren't abstract, whether they exist or not. The boiling point of water is the kind of thing that's abstract. Of course we can make it a convention in this game that "abstract" covers fictional entities too, but I just wanted to check whether that is the case or not *remains firmly up arse, whence he has never emerged yet*

As far as I can make out - the Vegetable part [the main part] is real and tangible - the Abstract part, I'm assuming, is something intangible that in some way can affect the vegetable part. Although, having said that I do not wish to take issue with whatever is up anyone else's arse.

[Breadmaster] When we find out what it is we can argue the toss as to how abstract it is. As far as I'm concerned there's at least one compelling reason why it should be described as abstract, possibly two.

[Chalky] Pretty much yes.