Kim/Wol]thank you for the clarification. I had not heard of the Well-Tempered Clavier before, and I won't embarass myself any further by describing the scene in a smithy that jumped to mind when I saw it.

[Raak] Depends what you mean by artistic of course, but to answer anything but no would lead you up the garden path.

I remember well the Jacques Loussier version of Bachs' Well-Tempered Clavier. It was an ear-opener. To this puzzle, I ask the question...is it a triffid?

Back to the matter at hand!

Just getting a couple of childrens favourites off my chest.

I'm sure I've asked this before, but we're not taking "fictional" to be a subset of "abstract", are we? Because they mean quite different things. A fictional individual is no more abstract than a real one, it's just fictional. Now, the idea of a thing, fictional or real, may be abstract. But anyone who proposes "The idea of X" as a subject should be expelled and shot, naturally.

I was taking 'Abstract' to mean something which exists in people's mind/consciousness and is either impossible or unlikely to exist in a physically tangible form. *disappears up arse*.

By your definition Raak's WMD were not abstract.

ie. The Apple that tempted Eve is V/A but an apple can be V/Non-A.