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Animal-Vegetable-Mineral-Abstract: The Pants Memorial Game

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The chairperson selects an object/idea/whatever and announces whether it's animal, vegetable, mineral, and/or abstract. The others have to ask questions to figure out what it is. Whomever guesses the object correctly is given the chair for the next round; repeat ad nauseam.

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Do you use it every day?

Is it some form of communications device?

Sorry to interrupt AVMA for a moment, but since [Software]'s definitely reading this: gigni de nihilo ... over on MCiOS is a reverse game. The idea is that if you read the game backwards, it'll all make sense. This means that new moves have to be consistent with what's already been said "in the future". So, for example, fairly early in the game you'll find Blob saying "[Néa] To answer you question - not recently I'm afraid, the last time was on the East London Line between Shadwell & Wapping." and then later on Néa asking "Incidentally, did anybody here ever pull the emergency brake while drunk?", setting up Blob's answer. As far as I can tell, you've been playing it forwards all along -- hence all the comments about you developing precognition and so on, which are an attempt to make your comments make sense in the context of the reverse flow.

BM: Clue, perhaps - Most days.
Brendan: :-*

Is it a personal organiser?

A toothbrush?

Following Brendan's Comments above

Software re: The Reverse Crescent Game in MCiOS. Yup - because you seemed to 'pick' on me nearly every time you posted something, you completely f*cked up my gameplan. I left loads of messages for you - so did Darren - and others dropped hints. Eventually I gave up and dropped out of the game :-(

Is it a spinning around clothes drying thing?

...back to the game

Is it a toilet brush?

ZK: No
Toby: No.

Chalks: My humblest appologies :-o , I was completely off the scent on that one :-/ , sorry to spoil your fun, I'll stick to the things I know best in future.

Chalks: No & No.

A cuddly toy?

[S'ware] apology accepted :-)

Is it related to sex?

Ok, everything could be related to sex, but some things are more closely related than others.

Is it a pharisee?

Chalks: No, this is not the generation game :O).
Raak: Unlikely - but, hey, whatever turns you on ;-)
Chalks: No, it is Mineral with Animal connections, remember.

A penguin [bar]?

doggy widdle?

sorry - just remembered it's mineral with animal connections

Is it something one enjoys using?

Chalks ;-))
Raak: Not particularly, unless one had such a fettish.

Is it a hoover?

Bren: No.

A toothbrush?

A K-Tel nose hair trimmer?

A razor?

Also based on the assumption that disposables are made of metal and plastic to shave the human animal and they often come in the "electrical" variety - and blokes tend to use them daily or almost as often, with girls slightly less often needing a boyfriend at this time of night declared

Could you lift it with one hand?

[ZK] Awww... maybe you should use that K-Tel nose hair trimmer a little more frequently... ;-)

Have you died?

[Breadmaster] They don't make industrial strength ones, you see :)

Back from a relaxing weekend without a PC in my face.

Raak: No.
ZK: No & No.
BM: Yes (in most cases).
ZK: No.

Is it computerised?

Why is this such a boring one?

Can we have a clue?

Chalks: Because nobody has asked the right questions.
all: Yes, I'm getting bored too. You probably have several of these about the office/college/school.

Is it a telephone?

A stapler?

First thing on my desk that I saw ...

I know what's bugging me about this one - the 'animal' connection .... what does 'connection' actually mean? Is there a bit of animal in it? or is used by an animal [in this case human]? If it's the latter, isn't it rather superfluous and misleading to add the animal bit?

GL: No.
Bren: No, but you are now on the right tack.
Chalks: In this case the human connection is that this object would be unable to perform any function without human assistance.

Hole punch?

Ring binder?

Is it human-powered?

all - has it! Cheers and whoops from audience!

Over to you all!

At f*r*i*g last!

This one is an ANIMAL, and hopefully will be easier to guess

Human animal?

Come on now, it wasn't that difficult!

[Software] Yes - It took a long time to work out, that makes it difficult

Alive?

IMO

[S'ware] The 'Animal' part was superfluous and misleading. Many examples of this type of equipment have been posted as the 'object' in the past - simply as Mineral. You replied to my earlier question [and I quote] "Because nobody has asked the right questions." I completely disagree.

[Kim] No

Brutus? (of "et tu" fame)

'cos it's always fun to start with a completely random guess.

A certain individual animal?

Chinese?

Well, it's a one in five chance!?

Did they die before 1900?

Male?

[Brenda] No - but it was worth a shot
[Raak] Yes - an individual dead human (see above)
[Tuj] No
[Ink] Yes
[Snodster] No - I'm fairly certain she wasn't

Were they born before 1500?

[Inkspot] No

Religious figure?

Was he a scientist?

[Brendan] No
[Inkspot] No, and as said before not a 'he'

Joan of Arc?

[Software] No, Joan of Arc was born before 1500

Mary Shelley?

Just testing ;)

[Inkspot] No

Was she born before 1800?

[Inkspot] Yes

Is she an author?

Elizabeth I?

Was she a religious figure?

[Inkspot] She isn't. She wasn't famous for being an author.
[Raak] No, but you're think on the right lines.
[Kim] See the answer I gave when Brendan asked that.

[Raak] I meant thinking not think obviously

Mary, Queen of Scots?

[snorgle] No

Was she European, other than British?

[Inkspot] No

Was she a royal of some description?

just trying to clarify what "along the right lines" means (couldn't be Queen V herself, of course, since she died in 1901 ...)

Was she associated with royalty, without being royalty herself?

Lady Jane Grey

[Brendan] Yes (It also couldn't be Queen V because she wasn't born before 1800)
[Raak] At one time
[Inkspot] No.

If not an author, a diarist Elizabeth Pepys?

Nell Gwynne?

[Inkspot] No.
[Kim] No.

One of Henry VIII's wives?

Queen Anne?

[all] For some reason I read the wrong answer, and thought you'd said "No" to born pre-1800 ... Doh!

Mary wife of William III (of Orange)?

[Raak] Yes
[Braendan] You are so very close - We can all make mistakes
[Inkspot] No

Anne Boleyn?

[Brendan] Yup.

Audience - Cheers and Adulation for Brendan

OK, let's have a MINERAL/VEGETABLE (with ABSTRACT overtones). If it becomes obvious that this classification is confusing people, I'll give some pointers ...

Is it made of wood?

And metal?

A painting?

Is the vegetable, paper?

[all] in part, but probably not a large part (NB: I am considering "made of wood" to mean dead wood in some way arranged by humans; ie in my definition a tree is not "made of wood" -- which I admit is eccentric)
[Software] probably in places, but it's not a major component
[Raak] No, but keep plugging at why it has abstract overtones
[Inkspot] No.

Half a dead cow in formaldehyde?

Is the vegtable part a tree?

Oops, ignore my last, dead cow isn't mineral or vegetable.

Half a dead tree in formaldehyde?

Is it unique?

[Raak] No, in either case. [all] Not "a" tree. [Inkspot] Yes.

Hyde Park?

Does the vegetable part involve more than one tree?

Is it a geographical landmark?

Is it a work of art?

[all] No.
[GL] Yes!
[Inkspot] No.
[Raak] The "it" you are looking for isn't, but a work of art (in the broadest sense) is involved.

Is it a forest?

Is it a real place mentioned in literature like Sherwood Forest?

[Tuj] Yes, but not just that.
[Inkspot] You're getting very close, but the answer to that particular question is No.

Is it the Hundred Acer Wood?

Is it Mirkwood?

Fangorn Forest?

The Forest Moon of Endor?

stop looking at me like that!

[Gusset] No.
[snorgle]No.
[Breadmaster] Nope.
[all] Nope!
All good guesses, but remember it isn't just a forest.

Is it from LOTR?

Under Milk Wood?

Not Forest Gump either then

Can it move around?

Burnham Wood?

[Gusset] No.
['spot] No.
[Breadmaster] No.
[all] No.
When I say it's not just a forest, I mean there's other stuff too, not that it's a special sort or specific example of a forest. The trees are definitely a major component of the mystery item, but perhaps not the one people immediately think of.

The Eden Project?

The Angel of the North?

Is it fictional?

[Bm] No.
[Raak] No.
Because ... [Tuj] Yes!

Babylon 5?

Is it from a film like the 'Valley Forge' in Silent Running?

The forest referred to in the phrase "Can't see the forest for the trees"?

Is the fictional setting concerned a movie?

[Raak] No.
[Inkspot] No.
[snorgle] No, it is from a specific work.
[ZK] No, not a movie.

Is it a city?

The Forbidden Forest from Harry Potter which is based on the Forest of Dean?

[all] No, but it is within/near one.
[Inkspot] No.

The Hanging Gardens Of Babylon?

Central Park?

Is it from a book?

[snorgle] I've made mistakes with these things before, but are you sure Central Park contains a forest? and is fictional?

Is it an old oak tree with a yellow ribbon tied around it?

[GL] I don't think the Hanging Gardens were fictional either, although not much is known about them.

[BM] There's no proof that it ever existed apart from a book written by someone who never went within a hundred miles of the area it was rumoured to be. But I take your point

Was the book written after 1900?

Nottingham Forest?

I know Sherwood was mentioned earlier but Notts Forest are a fictional entity, ie they are alledged to be footballers - but nice people all the same who always invite me to their end of season party in January each year.

[Gusset] No.
[snorgle] Alas, too real.
[all]Erm. The work in question is commonly found in books but it is not a book per se. Does that make sense?
[Breadmaster] No.
[Inkspot] No (bearing in mind the above caveats about the phrase "the book").
[Snodgrass] LOL. No.

PS [Snodgrass] Are you also alleging that all the players are vegetables? ;)

Was the book written before 1980?

bearing in mind the above caveats about the phrase "the book"

I meant 1880!

Is it from a poem?

Is it from a play?

Utopia?

[GL] Yes, before 1880.
[Inkspot] Indeed it is. Therefore ...
[Raak] No.
[all] No.

Herot?

Xanadu?

I mean, of course, the location of Kubla Khan's pleasure dome, and not the improbably awful film starring Olivia Newton John and Gene Kelly. On roller skates. In pink. With the Electric Light Orchestra.

[Gusset] No.
[Breadmaster] DING! DING! DING! Yes! It was indeed those twice five miles of fertile ground, with walls and towers girdled round, forests ancient as the hills, gardens bright with sinuous rills, etc. etc. Congratulations. The floor is yours.

Huzzah!

Give me a few moments to thing of something sufficiently fiendish.

ABSTRACT

OK, let's see how this plays out.

Is it an emotion?

[ZK] Nope.

Is it a human concept?

[ZK] No - although some may be involved.

Can it be detected with any of the senses?

[Brendan] An interesting question. I would say technically no, but your senses might well alert you to its presence.

Is it a natural event or happening?

Is it a naturally occurring phenomenon?

Dooo-dooo do-doodoo...

The monster under the bed?

[Inkspot] No.
[Tuj] No.
[Raak] No, that's very much ANIMAL.
I should warn you all that I'm not at work today and tomorrow and my internet access is currently a little erratic, so many apologies if there are gaps between my answers... I shall do my best though!

Is it existence?

straight in with a random guess

Is it a phrase or expression?

Does it have to do with the passage of time?

Is it connected with the supernatural

(Brendan: All footballers get covered in mud, Vegetables grow in the soil (ok not all so sue me!), therefore all footballers............. eat vegetables and you are what you eat. And Forest are neither Super nor Natural before you ask - C'mon you R's)

Is it electricity?

[Snodgrass] Your mastery of syllogism is unmatched!

[all] No.
[Inkspot] No.
[Kim] No.
[Snodgrass] Aha! Yes.
[Brendan] No.

A ghost?

Banquo's Ghost?

An Orb?

To those of you without Living TV you have been spared the antics of Derek Acorah and Yvette Fielding chasing ghosts and flying balls of light around the country and having theatrical panic attacks as they go. What a rich cultural medium digital TV can be!

A poltergeist?

[Raak] No.
[GL] No.
[Snodgrass] No, and I thank you for that terrifying vignette. Yvette Fielding?!
[all] No.

Possession of some sort [by the devil or his disciples]?

[Chalky] No.

Is it related to some sort of concept of the afterlife?

A magic spell?

ah...Raak may have pre-empted my next line of questioning ... is it Black Magic?

I don't have a suggestion

[Snodgrass] I happen to like that programme!

backtracking in realisation

Not that believe it all, you understand!

Voodoo ?

[ZK] Sorry, no offence intended. I quite enjoy it too, in small measure, but the histrionics do rather detract from what might, otherwise, be a serious attempt to uncover something we understand little about. Did you watch the celebrity version last weekend?

[Brendan] Yes.
[Raak] Nope.
[Chalky] Not that either.
[Snodgrass] Nope. How do you have a celebrity ghost-chasing programme? Were they hunting Elvis, James Dean, Buddy Holly etc?

Is it re-incarnation ?

[Breadmaster] The celebs were doing the hunting - or more accurately staying 2 nights in a spooky castle and having the willies put up them so to speak (but thats one for a different channel I expect). You know, I'm a Celebrity - Get 8 shades of wos'name out of me!

I despair of modernity...

[Snodgrass] Nope.

[Snodgrass] Sadly not, as I only have Sky when I'm living at home.

Transubstantiation?

is it Hell?

Valhala?

The Holy Spirit?

Is the afterlife in question the Christian one?

Nirvana?

Purgatory?

Would a river be pertinent?

[Raak] No.
[all] No.
[GL] No.
[Brendan] No.
[Kim] No.
[Raak] No.
[Dujon] It wouldn't.
Don't get too hung up on the afterlife thing - it's only related to it.

Is it a Philosophy?

[GL] It might be, depending on how you define "philosophy".

Is it a fear?

[Inkspot] No.

Is it a religion?

[all] A breakthrough! Yes.

Catholicism?

blimey - I thought we'd eliminated the 'religion' thing ages ago - perhaps I just imagined it!

[Chalky] No. No, I was surprised no-one tried that earlier, but they didn't...

Buddism?

Islam?

I meant buddhism, obviously

A religion is a philosophy, unless your a fanatic.

[GL] No. There's more to religion than philosophy, though - it is a sociological phenomenon which may include a philosophy, but also other things such as liturgy. I think.
[all] Nope.

theophobia?

[Inkspot] No, but I'd love to know more about the Theophobic Church...

Does it profess to be some variety of the Christian religion?

[Raak] It does not.

Scientology?

[BM]The basis of all religion is a philosophy, which is also the most important part of the religion. It's easy to quote (for example) the Bible but very few of those that do make any effort to love their fellow man.

[GL] Of course, it depends on what you mean by "philosophy". But if you mean ethics, I still say that's only one element of religion, and not necessarily the most important part: for example, Jesus taught ethics, but he seems to have been more interested in eschatology. One should always be very wary of saying things like "the essence of all religions is X" because religions are rather complex things that vary greatly.
Oh yes. No.

Is it monotheistic?

[Raak] Largely, but it's a matter of some debate.

Is it Hindu?

[BM] Philosophy generally means an outlook or set of beliefs that underpin your thinking. An ethical philosophy is only one example of this cynical philosophies have more appeal but are less used by religions. But all religions are in essence telling people how they should think (not what they should think, just how).
Eschatology is part of the philosophy of most religions

[GL] It is not.
I take your point, although I think you're defining "philosophy" a little loosely.

Was it founded in the last 200 years?

[Brendan] Nope.

Sikhism?

Philosophy
noun: any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation (Example: "Self-indulgence was his only philosophy")
noun: the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
noun: a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school

[GL] Still so.

By which I meant, of course, still no.

Is it a brand of islam?

Judaism?

[all] No.
[GL] No.

Is it extant?

It it a associated with the far east?

Is it Zen?

[Raak] It is.
[Inkspot] Not the far east, no.
[GL] It is not.

Just confirm it's from the middle east? but not connected with Islam?

[GL] Two questions shock! Yes, it is from the Middle East, and there may be connections with Islam, but if so I think they're likely to be pretty indirect.
It can only be a matter of time now.

Was it founded by a swordsman called Zoro his adventures later being made into numerous films?

[Inksopt] No, but it should have been, hence...

Is it Sufism? -Apologies for joining in so abruptly

[Phahad] Feel free to join in, but no - it's not Islam, remember.

Is it popular outside the middle east?

[Gusset] If this religion is defined a little broadly, I believe that today it does have more adherents outside the Middle East than it has within it.

Taoism?

[all] No.
You know, I really think Inkspot will get it...

Zoroastrianism?

(I may have spelt that wrong)

Zoroism?

simulpost....and Brendam beat me to it *laughs*

I meant BrendaN of course *laughs again*

[Brendan] YES! And I believe you spelt it entirely correctly.

Having recently had a go, I'm entirely happy to cede in favour of either Inkspot, who clearly had it and was just messing around, or Chalks, who I simulposted. That said, I do have a particularly silly idea for a round ... I'll leave it a few hours and if neither of those two starts one I will.

Pah! I'd have won it if it hadn't been for those pesky kids!

applause and cheers
A good win and well set by the Breadmaster.

Silly idea

OK, then, my silly idea: bifurcated AMVA. I've got two separate "objects" in mind which can be referred to by the same word(s). Hence, for each question I'll give two answers, one for the first object and one for the second, eg "Is it made of wood?" "Yes/No" Hope that makes sense.
So, the objects are ANIMAL/ANIMAL.

Is it a quagga?

Leaf? OK, just a mad guess. :-(

However, is that the idea, Brendan?

Is either human?

An interesting conceit!

A mammal?

Bigger than a Coconut?

[Raak] No/no.
[Dujon] No/no.
[Bm] Yes/Yes.
[Inkspot] Yes/Yes (see above).
[Snodgrass] Yes/Yes. (Unless it's a giant mutant coconut you have in mind)

Are they particular humans (as opposed to a type, job, class etc)?

Interesting - looks like we have two people with the same name, or perhaps similar titles?

Is the name for either an occupation?

[Breadmaster] Yes/Yes
[snorgle]No/No

Are they male?

Are they still alive?

Englebert Humperdinck?

Are they British?

[Breadmaster] Yes/Yes.
[Raak] Yes/No.
[Bigsmith] No. (Good guess though!)
[Inkspot] Yes/No.

Male?

[Brendan] Thanks, I thought it an apt guess after his/their appearance in an earlier game!

Jerry Hall?

One's an American model, the other an Irish guy I used to work with.

Obviously not as neither are British, and both are still alive - sorry, somehow transposed the answers in my tiny mind...

Are they nobility?

[Bigsmith] Er, yes and the male I already answered to Breadmaster's last Q.
[Breadmaster] Ooh, excellent question! No/Yes

Winston Churchill?

Is the Dead one the Noble one?

[Brendan] I can assure you that my coconuts are not mutant or deformed in any way!

(Bod No2) Is he an American?

Are they actors?

Assuming that Brendan always refers to them in the same order, it looks like one is alive, British, and not noble, while the other is dead, not British, and noble. I think.

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