(CdM) Not surprised it's snowy up Mount Buller. An assumption, of course, because you have quite unforgivably omitted the ρ-coordinate, which I take to be 6378137 + 1805 m. Greetings, anyway, from 51.32; -0.06, 6378306 m.

So "on the surface of the earth" is not the default, then. :-)

(CdM) Yeah, OK. Equally, I have committed the unpardonable sin of assuming the earth's radius is constant at all latitudes, which is not true. The polar radius is 21.4 km less than the equatorial radius. It's uphill to the equator.

*belated wave from Llanberis*

I'll be off line for a week.

[Phil] Isn't that odd? I was there to sing in a concert in The Sage. I don't suppose you were too...

[Knobbly] Alas, The Sage wasn't built when I was there. I left in 1977 :-(

[Phil] Ah... I got the wrong end of the thingummy.

[Knobbly] ...which I deliberately proffered to you. Apols for a cheap stunt :-)

(Phil) Cunning, too.

Impromptu mini-virtual pilg in the MCiOS chat room a little while ago was greatly enjoyed by flerdle, nfras, Néa, nat and, briefly, Phil. These last two days I seem to have been able to "stay alive" in there for hours at a time (not zombie-ify like it used to - losing the connection somehow), so why not drop in, hang around for a while and see who turns up?

nfras mentioned that monday and thursday evenings (our times - about 11am UK time in summer) are likely for him, and I can try that too. UK nights, late, might be a possibility in the winter. Doesn't have to be formal, or lots of people. Suggest-o-matic!

[flerdle] Was that a specific invitation to nights and me? :-)

[Uncle Korky] The more the merrier! :-)